livingston
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China would attack American homeland 'massively' if war starts: Gen. Keane
Gen. Jack Keane (Ret.) on China denying allegations that they hacked U.S. infrastructure in Guam.
China would attack American homeland 'massively' if war starts: Gen. Keane
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Gen. Jack Keane (Ret.) on China denying allegations that they hacked U.S. infrastructure in Guam.
Anyone who is surprised by this is extremely ignorant and obtuse.
Bigfoot
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Don't trust China, China is asshoe!
Bigfoot
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During such uncertain times, I sure would like to have a strong President who puts America first and pushes back against Communist China... Mean tweets and all.
Instead of the one we have now, who is obviously on China's payroll.
Instead of the one we have now, who is obviously on China's payroll.
Mainland USA would never suffer an invasion in a negative!!!
And all those tree hugging liberals would be flocking to their gun loving neighbors, or at least the ones that wouldn't be standing in the streets waving China Flags welcoming the Mother Country...
But no foreign power would survive an invasion here, not by a long shot. It would require door to door house clearing! They just don't have the ability to suffer attrition (loss) at sustainable levels. It's too armed of a society. Period!
Not watching the video, just responding to the title.
Fuck China!
And all those tree hugging liberals would be flocking to their gun loving neighbors, or at least the ones that wouldn't be standing in the streets waving China Flags welcoming the Mother Country...
But no foreign power would survive an invasion here, not by a long shot. It would require door to door house clearing! They just don't have the ability to suffer attrition (loss) at sustainable levels. It's too armed of a society. Period!
Not watching the video, just responding to the title.
Fuck China!
China likely has garrison troops in plain clothing, here already in the Adirondacks, and is the largest buyer of commercial and residential real estate in the Country. NYC's Chinatown is likely full of hidden weaons caches and CCP soldiers, hiding in plain sight in laundry's and selling General Tsaos chicken..
I am truly surprised that it has not happened yet.........Biden has made it possible, and Hochul.
I am truly surprised that it has not happened yet.........Biden has made it possible, and Hochul.
Hillbilly77
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Before China invades America (or as it happens), the democrats and RINOS will pass a law to make it illegal for armed Americans to shoot back. Punishable by life in prison.
ManualF150
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I think it was mentioned on here that there is a secret China-run camp in upstate NY. I think it might've been mentioned in the COVID thread or something...
Alibaba’s Jack Ma Buys $23 Million Property in New York’s Adirondacks
The Chinese billionaire has conservation plans for the 28,100-acre property, known as Brandon Park.
www.wsj.com
Lots of water under that chinese bridge since this happened.....Moose River Plains is a training area for their guerrillas.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Liberal communists would turn you in in a heart beat my friend ....
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
There isn't a country on the planet that can cross oceans and take the fight to the enemy except the United States. 700 bases globally, maritime war supply ships floating 24/7 in all oceans with carrier based fleets with Marine infantry cruising around the globe.
They need to condition you for what they will call a necessary first strike.
They need to condition you for what they will call a necessary first strike.
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Jmac00
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just to add some to this post.
In 2015--2016, it was reported that America, as whole, issued over 14 MILLION big game hunting license's. That does not include ALL firearm owners in America. Thats just hunters.
That 14 million, represents the single largest standing army on the planet. Even if you combined ALL the armies on the planet. America is, by far, the largest Army on the planet. And that 14M, does not include our Military.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Unless you have command and control over the freedom loving 2A army; you have nothing but a bunch of individuals running around in areas an occupying force wouldn't care about. lol
Sounds awesome though and would be considered in any invasion plan.
spat
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Anyone who passes such a law should be the first targets.
spat
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You mean the areas that supply all the food, fuel, electricity and water for the cities ?
But, sure, occupy the cities without that, have fun.
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Don't mean to be negative or snarky here.
But how many of those who get the game tags are fudds who are perfectly content incrementally giving up rights to our own government during times of peace and prosperity and safety and comfort. Fudds are always used as examples of "I got my deer rifle no one needs an AR-15".
In ww3 fighting with china how many of those same individuals would instantly turn their guns in when they were promised some food when they are starving. How many would turn on their neighbors if they were told cooperating would keep them out of the reeducation camps?
Many of those hunters are also minors, women, older folks, not all hunters are even capable of actually engaging in some type of guerilla campaign. And like mentioned you might just have some random uncoordinated individuals causing trouble who would be dealt with harshly and made examples of. Countries like china don't care about losing troops to them it's just a number.
I don't necessarily like to just use the number of hunters as a baseline because I think it really over inflates how effective of a response to invaders it would be.
Compare success insurgencies, they tend to be formed by very highly motivated and hardened civilian populations that have a great degree of loyalty, familiarity, cohesiveness, homogeneous, a unified goal, shared values, and a willingness to experience hardship while staying true to their vision. Honestly most Americans are too soft And pampered and we can't cooperate now with things in relative peace and comfort and abundance. When things go off the rails I don't know how Americans would respond.
Obviously there will be very effective militias, neighborhood defense, veterans groups etc but they won't be everyone all the time. We won't be positioning battalions around a campaign theater, it will just be some random squad size groups all operating independently with mixed success.
RedBreast21
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Watching too much RED Dawn lol. What makes you think an invading force is going to turn into a humanitarian force effort? Leave that to Canada with the refugee problem. lol
The 14 million gun owners would turn on themselves. Become very tribal. Fight for control....ect. We import an insane amount or food anyway.
Again, without command and control over all, it isn't an issue for an invading force.
It would turn into a insurgency. But the country would be lost and turn into regional tribes like..........................I don't know...............one country comes to mind. lol
spat
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RedBreast21
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Don't mean to be negative or snarky here.
Never!
But how many of those who get the game tags are fudds who are perfectly content incrementally giving up rights to our own government during times of peace and prosperity and safety and comfort. Fudds are always used as examples of "I got my deer rifle no one needs an AR-15".
Good question. My guess a small percentage at first. If things stabilize more could convert for their safety. You never know how people are going to react when their self preservation is at stake. My doctor of nearly 25 years who never prescribed meds and always spoke highly of the bodies ability to heal itself through proper diet and exercise was completely double masked up with face shield because of a virus that had a 99.5% surivability rate at my last physical.
In ww3 fighting with china how many of those same individuals would instantly turn their guns in when they were promised some food when they are starving. How many would turn on their neighbors if they were told cooperating would keep them out of the reeducation camps?
Fair question. A very small amount the 14 million FUDDS and tactical junkies could actually recognize fertile land and successfully grow food. I know we like to think because we support 2A that we can organize, feed, educate and run a society. Oh and organize, fund and build an insurrection but probably not. lol
Many of those hunters are also minors, women, older folks, not all hunters are even capable of actually engaging in some type of guerilla campaign. And like mentioned you might just have some random uncoordinated individuals causing trouble who would be dealt with harshly and made examples of. Countries like china don't care about losing troops to them it's just a number.
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I don't necessarily like to just use the number of hunters as a baseline because I think it really over inflates how effective of a response to invaders it would be.
Compare success insurgencies, they tend to be formed by very highly motivated and hardened civilian populations that have a great degree of loyalty, familiarity, cohesiveness, homogeneous, a unified goal, shared values, and a willingness to experience hardship while staying true to their vision. Honestly most Americans are too soft And pampered and we can't cooperate now with things in relative peace and comfort and abundance. When things go off the rails I don't know how Americans would respond.
Obviously there will be very effective militias, neighborhood defense, veterans groups etc but they won't be everyone all the time. We won't be positioning battalions around a campaign theater, it will just be some random squad size groups all operating independently with mixed success.
They're called war lords for a reason. To think it wouldn't be the same in that situation here is comical. Leaders have to be ruthless at times as human nature necessitates it. But many go too far and get replaced so it would take time to build real leaders, alliances and be an effective force against an annexed region of the country. Yes I said annexed.
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RedBreast21
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Yeah but your missing the overall opportunity for successful deal. An in place corrupt government making deals with the Chinese. BTW, the chinese don't and never have been in the nation building business. Look at their history. They will just kill everything to get compliance. The Russians and the U.S. could have done the same in Afghanistan.
But we are talking about the Chinese invading and not the U.S.
That would be an entirely different analysis. lol
Afghanistan is still tribal and fighting amongst themselves. Is that your goal for the U.S. after invasion?
spat
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It's not a goal at all.
It's not *anyone's* goal.
It is *why* the "Chinese invasion" will never happen.
You are right, they have no intention to occupy anything.
They will not invade the US (even if they could) for the same reason they don't invade Afghanistan today (which they easily could). There's nothing for them to gain by it.
We are the masters of traditional warfare. None can stand against us. But the Chinese are the masters of infiltration, and it appears we have no defense against that.
That might be true for those who reside in the big cities... Not so much once you venture outside them.
Yep!
Uhhhhh? Guess you never heard about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising with gas pipe machine guns, etc? But for the matter, and occupying force would definitely care about the resources that would be needed to sustain those forces, or otherwise have the ability to fly or float in supplies, then transport it all safely to places where needed. They won't be able to control the countryside, the dams or water supplies, power supplies and transmission, etc. Not an ice cubes chance in hell.
Don't forget the world's largest spender in "Defense"... By a LONG shot over the next closest spender... By about 3x, lmao!
Hahaha! Definitely!
Anyways...
Let's see... A couple of million police and peace officers, add another couple millions armed acronym agency employees. Throw in some estimated 26 million Vets... A couple hundred million firearms (since counting), thousands of private machine shops, CNC, industrial production, etc...
The U.S will NEVER suffer an invasion by a foe. But like that Democratic Republic from so long ago, the longest lasting with our form (loosely) of Govt... The United States is more likely to die from WITHIN than from anyone storming our beaches or beating down the gates at out Capitol! The logistics just don't work for any invading army, period! No other country could field millions of armed rebels overnight! Not one! The Minute Men are still standing by
Steal2B
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From the 1:50 mark on, Jack Keane is ignoring the issue of Brown being more woke than Milley
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Acer-m14
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Brown disgraced himself and his uniform during the Black Lives Matter race riots by releasing a video in which he “seemed to barely contain his rage” while ranting “that the ideals of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution ‘that I’ve sworn my adult life to support and defend’ have not always delivered ‘liberty and equality’ to all. ”
hey Brown .. you better read it again . i seen no promise mentioned that the Govt has to make you happy ..
"all men are created equal," "inalienable rights," "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
Brown disgraced himself and his uniform during the Black Lives Matter race riots by releasing a video in which he “seemed to barely contain his rage” while ranting “that the ideals of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution ‘that I’ve sworn my adult life to support and defend’ have not always delivered ‘liberty and equality’ to all. ”
hey Brown .. you better read it again . i seen no promise mentioned that the Govt has to make you happy ..
"all men are created equal," "inalienable rights," "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
RedBreast21
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So you believe that if China could actually pull off an invasion by completely defeating the US military, that it would seek to win the hearts and minds of Americans? No. They wouldn't try and not for the reasons you think. If they did though It would eradicate entire communities with extreme force. China has no history of nation building. China would burn middle America to the ground and all residing there. Thats their doctrine. It would be best they not let them get a foot hold. Its more likely they would simply enslave the parts they conquered and wait 14 million out. China plays the long game. Without help from the rest of the world, you'll die clutching your rifle and ammo never having fired a shot.
Anyway, what part of command and control do you not understand? Without it, its chaos. lol
14 million individuals will suddenly united under a command structure set up by, let me guess, you? Yeah no. Let history be your guide on that. Even the American revolution militia were a bunch of undisciplined farmers. Although in the south some militias were effective in drawing the British out into a chases, which allowed Washington to move his Army, victory was ultimately secured from the Dutch and French in the form of loans and of course the french entering the war with its fleet. England was bankrupt.
So, your overly simplistic view and plan isn't going to work on hope or luck. If, and that's a big if, the insurgency would turn into ones we see today. The 8 year civil war and ethic cleansing of Russians in Ukraine is the most recent one that 90% of Americans had no clue was going on.
There are countless others.
Almost three generations have not seen all out world war. Ukraine it what all out war looks like between 1st world nations. That certainly doesn't look like RED DAWN. lol
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When most of the country can't be bothered to pull themselves away from their TVs and computers to vote, how many do you think will be willing to risk their lives fighting an invading force whose only rule of engagement is kill everyone?
Willyone
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The U.S will NEVER suffer an invasion by a foe. But like that Democratic Republic from so long ago, the longest lasting with our form (loosely) of Govt... The United States is more likely to die from WITHIN than from anyone storming our beaches or beating down the gates at out Capitol! The logistics just don't work for any invading army, period! No other country could field millions of armed rebels overnight! Not one! The Minute Men are still standing by
The USA "die from WITHIN" is now, and has been under way for several years. And Biden and his cronies have been working hard at it, whether or not they realize it who knows.
This really is shit or get off the pot time but too many have their heads up their asses to realize the situation.
spat
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Centralized command and control is by far the most efficient way to conduct a war, but it is not the only way.
But, a large but inefficient force can defeat a small but efficient one.
The bottom line is "what does victory look like for China in this invasion ? "
When the US has failed it's because they failed to answer that question, or failed to actually pursue that answer.
What soft of victory can they achieve in the face of such a widespread opposition?
But this is all an academic discussion a Chinese invasion of the continental US would never happen, for about a dozen reasons.
China doesn't really *have* a blue water navy. They may have a few ships, but they don't have the capacity to project naval power beyond their own back yard.
The US Navy could mop the floor with *all the rest* of the world's navy's put together.
Almost all of the nation's that *do* have a blue water navy are close allies of the US anyway.
If China managed to somehow eliminate the US navy and allies, they have no ability to overcome US airpower defending the coastline.
If they managed to eliminate the airforce too, they have no ability to deploy a significant force halfway around the world. The only country with the logistic ability to come even close is the US.
If they managed to land half a million troops, they have to way to keep them supplied.
If they managed to land them and keep them supplied, they would *still* have to contend with the US army.
Remember what the US looked like after 9/11 ? That was a couple buildings. Imagine what things would look like with foreign troops on US soil. The mobilization from WWII would look like a boy scout jamboree by comparison. Think more like the British during the blitz and their preparation to defend against an invasion.
Unlike them, we *have* more than enough guns to arm everyone capable of pulling a trigger. And they *would* be organized, by the government. Just like the British were.
We have by far the most heavily armed militia in the history of man, and they would *not* remain unorganized in the face of an invasion. The military would have officers in every town training and organizing anyone who would show up.
And they would all show up. From the gang bangers of Chiraq to the good old boys of Georgia, if you attempt to invade the Mainland US you will have pissed them all off.
Sure, there will be a fair number of useless leftists, but they will be quickly told to just stand in the corner while the real men get the job done.
Uninvited Chinese troops on American soil would put a very quick end to the tolerance that has allowed that foolishness to flourish.
ArmedCorgi
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For now. Might be one of the reasons the dems and rinos want us disarmed. I have a feeling that if the CCP paid our POS politicians enough, they'd let the Chinese walk right in.