32 rimfire on permit?

[NirvanaFan]

I'm going to an auction on Saturday and there are a bunch of pistols in .32 rimfire. I want some wall hangers. I assume at least one or two will go for $50 or less because they don't have much collector value. .32 rimfire ammunition is extremely difficult to find and isn't available commercially. Does anybody have any of these pistols? Did you put them on your permit? I'd rather keep them off my permit, but if I'm going to have to, then I'll put them on.

 

[vanderblack]

I was told by the Ulster Sheriff dept. a while back that the only pistols that don't need to go on your permit are black powder. However, if you poses powder and ball, you need to add the guns to your permit.

 

[siggy]

Pistols that use obsolete ammo are also considered "antique firearms" the same as black powder.

14. “Antique firearm” means:

Any unloaded muzzle loading pistol or revolver with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system, or a pistol or revolver which uses fixed cartridges which are no longer available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

New York Penal Law - PEN § 265.00 | FindLaw

 

[NirvanaFan]

Pistols that use obsolete ammo are also considered "antique firearms" the same as black powder.

14. “Antique firearm” means:

Any unloaded muzzle loading pistol or revolver with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system, or a pistol or revolver which uses fixed cartridges which are no longer available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

New York Penal Law - PEN § 265.00 | FindLaw

Yup. I'm just wondering if anybody has had any success buying them and not putting them on their permit. Do stores/people/whatever know enough to just release them to you without going through the hassle of putting them on your permit?

 

[HEX]

Damn.. this is a good question, and a very tough one.

I don't think I have an answer for it but rather some information that potentially makes the issue even more confusing. Certainly .32 RF is rare and not currently produced, but it has been commercially produced and sold in limited runs at some point in the early 2000s by Navy Arms. Some of that ammo is currently sold online ( .32 Short Rimfire, Single Cartridges ) So.. does this count as, "available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade." ? I don't know..and I'm not sure who would determine that in regard to NY penal law.

EDIT: Originally the website I listed was this company's old website, which was selling .32 RF Long but I've updated my post to show their current website which is actually still selling .32 RF Short )

 

[HEX]

Also , just a matter of note that I forgot to mention in the above post , a company called H&C also produces tools intended to make re-loadable cases for several obsolete rimfire cartridges, including 32 RF, but that seems irrelevant to me because that doesn't seem as though it could possibly count toward considering the cartridges to be available.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Pistols that use obsolete ammo are also considered "antique firearms" the same as black powder.

14. “Antique firearm” means:

Any unloaded muzzle loading pistol or revolver with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system, or a pistol or revolver which uses fixed cartridges which are no longer available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

New York Penal Law - PEN § 265.00 | FindLaw

Yes. They do define it as antique un section 14, BUT they do not preclude it from going on your pp.

I bet you will have to put in on your permit. Go to the auction and see what happens. You are covered either way.

As vanderblack indicated above.....UC wants em on your permit.

 

[NirvanaFan]

Certainly .32 RF is rare and not currently produced, but it has been commercially produced and sold in limited runs at some point in the early 2000s by Navy Arms. Some of that ammo is currently sold online ( .32 Short Rimfire, Single Cartridges ) So.. does this count as, "available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade." ? I don't know..and I'm not sure who would determine that in regard to NY penal law.

Next time there is a huge run of it, remind me to buy a pallet of it. I can wait 10 years and sell it for 4 times what I paid for it.

I've been reading up on it. Navy Arms imported a bunch of it in the early 2000s from a company that made it in Brazil. I guess that company (CBC) stopped making it a little while after. Apparently, 32 RF was popular longer there than it was here in the US. That's not a huge surprise though.

It doesn't really matter if it's on my permit. However, if the state doesn't have to know what guns I have, I'd rather keep it that way.

 

[HighlandLofts]

Even if you didn't need put it on your permit I doubt and dealer or auctioneer would release any pistol with out it going on a permit.

I have a C&R Permit, yet the local Cabelas won't recognize it, the insist on going through the regular transfer routine.

A year and a half ago I bought a 36 caliber black powder revolver from a FFL guy there in New York, He wouldn't just sell it because the previous owner had it on his permit so he could shoot it there in CUMHO's Republic of New Yorkistan.
He sold it to me after I gave him a copy of my C&R Permit which has NOTHING to do with this particular black powder gun.

 

[Phauxtoe]

can you plug the barrel or disable it in some other way if its just a wall hanger?

 

[HighlandLofts]

can you plug the barrel or disable it in some other way if its just a wall hanger?

I don't think it matters in New Yorkistan.