UnitedHealthcare CEO shot, killed outside Midtown Manhattan hotel; suspect sought

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Jmac00 said:
if this was a professional hit, why wouldn't he be using a revolver so there are no shell casings left behind ???

Plus he left a freak'n cell phone? plus he probably ( Im guessing here ) loaded the magazines WITHOUT gloves on? so there is going to be DNA on those shell casings.
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He went to the trouble of getting a suppressor somehow. Cant suppress a revolver. And considering there were words written in the shell casings, he WANTED them found. I'd be willing to bet there's no DNA or prints on them.
 
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Im with you, a professional would have also eliminated ammo that would cause multiple malfunctions. This person didnt test the ammo through the supressed handgun before the attack.

However, most other actions the shooter took shows this was well thought out to avoid being caught.
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Don't know. He didn't seem surprised at all by the lack of cycling. Subsonic ammo and a suppressor can def cause cycling issues with not enough blow back.

This reminds me a little of the movies The Jackal with Bruce Willis and In the Line of Fire with Eastwood. Guys testing out their gear ahead of time so they knew exactly how it all worked.
 
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They found 3 spent casings and 3 unfired rounds at the scene. It does seem the gun didn’t malfunction but it was planned.

Weird shooting, but I wish the innocent people in NYC that get murdered every day got this kind of response and resources instead of some duchebag CEO that made millions screwing people.
 
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United HC has one of the highest rates of denials among commercial insurers. The government has already studied this and sued them for it IIRC.

This brings to mind an article I read some years ago, where a CEO and 1% advocated for other 1%ers to reevaluate their business practices and take seriously the threat of a common revolt, a la the French Revolution. It’s an interesting perspective, and I’ve linked it here: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014/

This was absolutely a targeting killing, and if not personally, then politically motivated. The healthcare system in this country IS broken and I’m only surprised that this hasn’t happened sooner.

Unfortunately, what is most likely to happen is only that CEOs bulk up their private security at a cost to shareholders and consumers, and there will be further calls for gun control. Still, it does send one hell of a message to any CEO profiting at the expense of human lives… personally, if this shooter managed to get away, I wouldn’t be bothered.
 
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Unless the guy changed jackets and backpacks, I don't think these two are the same guy. Maybe something in the camera footage shows differently.

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Colors are different. You could say it's just color rendering but I don't think that would alter the contrast as much. Black straps on the top pic, light gray on the bottom.
The hood in the top pic appears to be cotton, but in the bottom it looks shiny like nylon.
Top jacket is full length zipper, bottom looks more like a pull-over.
Chest pockets on the top with a label on the edge of the left pocket flap. None of it on the bottom pic.



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These are obvious differences. Why are they both being presented as the suspect? Patsy?
 
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Robin said:
One fellow suggester that this is the pistol the guy used.
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I have to admit that sure does look like what I saw the first time I saw the video. Its a 'Welrod' in .32 caliber and must be manually operated after each shot.
Very rare and strange gun, but it does fill the bill from the visual's given.
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That looks like something the OSS air dropped into occupied France.
 
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VietnamEraVet said:
Not a surprise to me.

When my company was sued for $145 million, our insurer, who we had been covered with for over 20 years, immediately denied coverage even though what we were sued for was explicitly called out in the policy. They only agreed to cover us when our own lawyer threatened to sue them. Under duress, they defended us for 8 years, and eventually settled the case on our behalf by paying out $15K. What a disgusting scam that whole situation was. And once that suit settled, that insurer cancelled all of their policies in New Yorkistan, including ours. It took me another 5 years to find a virtually unknown insurer to even write us lesser policy.

In a separate case, I was sued personally for $1.1 million as part of a 16 year campaign of legal harassment. I had carried a personal umbrella liability policy since the 1980's just for any such possibility. When I was sued, I immediately turned it over to my insurer, who of course immediately and forcefully denied it. I didn't have the money to fight them and those suing me at that point. In fact, I was driven right up to the point of filing bankruptcy (mere days before I was to file) before I was finally able to scrape together enough money to hire a lawyer I had known for years who agreed to try and settle it for me. In the end he got the suit (and related harassment) against me dismissed, with prejudice, and my paying out exactly $0.00 to my harassers.

And a side note, - AFTER that insurer denied me coverage, I cancelled that policy. Incredibly, someone from their office called me to ask why I had cancelled it, and to suggest that I should really keep it in place to protect myself! I asked him how fucking stupid he was, and gave him a huge load of shit before I told him to fuck off and never contact me again.

So, while I don't condone cold blooded murder, if it turns out that the shooter had extreme justification in his mind, I will not condemn him.

People and companies should not fuck over others, and expect to get away with it. Sometimes Karma can be a real bitch.

I have now structured my life to make me essentially judgement proof, with little to no assets. Just trying to live out the rest of my life in peace.

YMMV.
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You're not wrong, this could very well have been a nother Heemeyer situation.

He won't get as much sympathy because it was a killing, not the "building for a building" justice that Heemeyer sought, but it doesn't mean it wasn't justified.

Our justice system is completely fucked. It's essentially become a pay to win system. Any system depends heavily on people believing they can achieve justice through it. Once that faith lost, expect to see more of this.
 
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rushmore said:
United HC has one of the highest rates of denials among commercial insurers. The government has already studied this and sued them for it IIRC.

This brings to mind an article I read some years ago, where a CEO and 1% advocated for other 1%ers to reevaluate their business practices and take seriously the threat of a common revolt, a la the French Revolution. It’s an interesting perspective, and I’ve linked it here: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014/

This was absolutely a targeting killing, and if not personally, then politically motivated. The healthcare system in this country IS broken and I’m only surprised that this hasn’t happened sooner.

Unfortunately, what is most likely to happen is only that CEOs bulk up their private security at a cost to shareholders and consumers, and there will be further calls for gun control. Still, it does send one hell of a message to any CEO profiting at the expense of human lives… personally, if this shooter managed to get away, I wouldn’t be bothered.
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Parzival said:
Weird shooting, but I wish the innocent people in NYC that get murdered every day got this kind of response and resources instead of some duchebag CEO that made millions screwing people.
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Can't have the plebs taking out the lords now, can we?

The fact he gets this response when others don't shows you exactly how the system works. It's a big club, and we normal people aren't in it. Hurt someone "important" (ie. Not you) and it's every resource available to respond. Hurt a normal person, maybe they'll show up 3 hours later... Maybe.
 
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Robin said:
One fellow suggester that this is the pistol the guy used.
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I have to admit that sure does look like what I saw the first time I saw the video. Its a 'Welrod' in .32 caliber and must be manually operated after each shot.
Very rare and strange gun, but it does fill the bill from the visual's given.
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Learn something new every day!
 
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dwa12479 said:
He went to the trouble of getting a suppressor somehow. Cant suppress a revolver. And considering there were words written in the shell casings, he WANTED them found. I'd be willing to bet there's no DNA or prints on them.
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To me, that does not look exactly like the WWII OSS style gun being mentioned. That one was a one piece barrel and silencer, whereas his appears to be a pistol and a slightly larger diameter added on suppressor.

As for revolvers not being able to use a suppressor? Of course Hollyweird has portrayed them using silencers in a number of different movies, but what does that really mean?

I have read that they will not work with a revolver due to added back pressure causing excessive exhaust gases at the gap between the forcing cone and cylinder, but I question that. I have yet to see an actual example of a real one. So, I am working on making one myself to try out.

I have a shitty Charter Arms .22 revolver that I am working on threading the end of the barrel to see what actually happens. I will post a thread when that project is completed.
 
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VietnamEraVet said:
I have read that they will not work with a revolver due to added back pressure causing excessive exhaust gases at the gap between the forcing cone and cylinder, but I question that. I have yet to see an actual example of a real one. So, I am working on making one myself to try out.
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You can suppress a revolver its just ineffective as there is a giant leak between the cylinder and the barrel. A very few revolvers can be suppressed because the cylinder moves into the frame, nagant is one.

It is no different than cutting a hole in the exhaust of your vehicle before the muffler.
 
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Parzival said:
They found 3 spent casings and 3 unfired rounds at the scene. It does seem the gun didn’t malfunction but it was planned.

Weird shooting, but I wish the innocent people in NYC that get murdered every day got this kind of response and resources instead of some duchebag CEO that made millions screwing people.
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This was amateur hour clear as can be. The ejected unfired cartridges are clearly FMJ. What "pro" or for that matter what knowledgeable person would use 9mm FMJ?
 
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spat said:
Good luck finding a spot in NYC without cameras that a big CEO is going to walk by.

Maybe he tried.

Doing something like that in 2024, you may just have to accept that it's going to be on camera.
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so every shooting is on camera ? Ok. :rolleyes:
 
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Did they have footage of the 2nd Trump assassination attempt at Mar Lago? Everybody has a blind spot . A driver can pull up to him at a red light . On the road, He can be found in his garage. the hotel stairwell or room . I could find a lot of places , even in NYC , where there is a blind spot .
 
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