UnitedHealthcare CEO shot, killed outside Midtown Manhattan hotel; suspect sought

[Brawny71]

Someone, anyone....

Can anyone explain why this murder is so different than any of the other 1000's of murders in the US?

Why and how does this reach the Federal Murder level?

Luigi Mangione hit with federal charges, making him eligible for death penalty, as he arrives in New York

Federal authorities unsealed the complaint Thursday in the high-profile case, which will proceed in parallel with the New York case in which he’s facing 11-counts at the state level.

nypost.com

Because he plotted, planned, and crossed several state lines to commit the crime. Besides, like so many others, he may actually be brought to justice if tried federally. If tried in NYS, he’ll get Yankee tickets, a free cellphone, and given the key to the city.

 

[Robin]

Too many federal laws unconstitutionally usurping the rights of the states, usually resulting in a politically motivated federal show prosecution or is it persecution, which is a de facto Double Jeopardy, and I don't give a flying fuck about all the contrived legal bullshit arguments, its still Double Jeopardy!
If NY won't do the proper job then maybe enough voters will wake the fuck up and help get these filthy scoundrel's out of public service all together.
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

Because he plotted, planned, and crossed several state lines to commit the crime. Besides, like so many others, he may actually be brought to justice if tried federally. If tried in NYS, he’ll get Yankee tickets, a free cellphone, and given the key to the city.

So, how is this Federal law? Crowing a State line makes it federal?

Plotting a crime makes it federal?

 

[Brawny71]

So, how is this Federal law? Crowing a State line makes it federal?

Plotting a crime makes it federal?

Planning and committing intrastate felonies can be taken over by the feds; so yes

 

[GOPerfect]

Planning and committing intrastate felonies can be taken over by the feds; so yes

Just digging into this..... Not arguing or sticking up for the suspected shooter...

Are you saying it is a Federal crime when a person leaves one State, goes to another and commits a crime?

 

[Brawny71]

Just digging into this..... Not arguing or sticking up for the suspected shooter...

Are you saying it is a Federal crime when a person leaves one State, goes to another and commits a crime?

It depends on the level of crime. Speeding across the border is not a federal crime. Speeding across three states being pursued by law enforcement after conducting a mass shooting can be. Planning a bombing, making the bomb, going to another state can become federal. Making it federal lessens the jurisdiction fights between states.

 

[GOPerfect]

It depends on the level of crime. Speeding across the border is not a federal crime. Speeding across three states being pursued by law enforcement after conducting a mass shooting can be. Planning a bombing, making the bomb, going to another state can become federal. Making it federal lessens the jurisdiction fights between states.

I just find it interesting that the Feds decided to get involved in this case....

Less than 1/10 of 1% of murders like this get charged at the federal level.

Gotta ask why now? Why this case? Because a wealthy was involved. Weird.

 

[Cavalry]

It depends on the level of crime. Speeding across the border is not a federal crime. Speeding across three states being pursued by law enforcement after conducting a mass shooting can be. Planning a bombing, making the bomb, going to another state can become federal. Making it federal lessens the jurisdiction fights between states.

While this may be true I have to think its more because of who the victim was like @GOPerfect has mentioned.
Last year that dude from Nevada rented a UHaul in Florida then drove it to Brooklyn and decided to drive over people there. That panned out as a State crime not Fed. One might speculate it was because of his mental state at the time, but the shooter in this event does not appear to be in a proper mental state either.

 

[Beerman]

Non-registered NFA item used in felony murder = federal charges.

 

[jimc]

I just find it interesting that the Feds decided to get involved in this case....

Less than 1/10 of 1% of murders like this get charged at the federal level.

Gotta ask why now? Why this case? Because a wealthy was involved. Weird.

Maybe so a D president can pardon him in the future?

 

[spat]

Just digging into this..... Not arguing or sticking up for the suspected shooter...

Are you saying it is a Federal crime when a person leaves one State, goes to another and commits a crime?

There are a lot of federal crimes that are only federal crimes if they involve interstate activities.

Some examples are below.

Most of that stuff is only illegal at the state level. But if you traveled interstate to commit it, then it becomes a major federal crime.

I.e. hiring a hooker isn't generally a major crime.

Hiring one on the internet from a neighboring state can get you 5 years.

https://www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com/travel-act

 

[GOPerfect]

There are a lot of federal crimes that are only federal crimes if they involve interstate activities.

Some examples are below.

Most of that stuff is only illegal at the state level. But if you traveled interstate to commit it, then it becomes a major federal crime.

I.e. hiring a hooker isn't generally a major crime.

Hiring one on the internet from a neighboring state can get you 5 years.

https://www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com/travel-act

I understand this. I am just curious of what is so special about this simple murder. It is not any different than most murders in the US.

Why is this one so important to bring in the Feds?

Cause the guy is a millionaire and has a higher position with his job?

 

[spat]

I understand this. I am just curious of what is so special about this simple murder. It is not any different than most murders in the US.

Why is this one so important to bring in the Feds?

Cause the guy is a millionaire and has a higher position with his job?

Yes, that is the real reason.

That's not how it should be. Every murdered gas station attendant should be treated with as much attention.

But, that's how it is.

It's interesting that they treat this as far more important than a murdered cop, even though the law says the opposite.

Not that I agree with that law, but that's what the law is in NY.

 

[Beerman]

There are a lot of federal crimes that are only federal crimes if they involve interstate activities.

I.e. hiring a hooker isn't generally a major crime.

Hiring one on the internet from a neighboring state can get you 5 years.

Matt Gaetz suggests you up your state border crime game and take your underage whores to the Bahamas.

 

[SomeSoldier]

I just find it interesting that the Feds decided to get involved in this case....

Less than 1/10 of 1% of murders like this get charged at the federal level.

Gotta ask why now? Why this case? Because a wealthy was involved. Weird.

I see what you're doing.

 

[SonOfSun]

Someone, anyone....

Can anyone explain why this murder is so different than any of the other 1000's of murders in the US?

Why and how does this reach the Federal Murder level?

Luigi Mangione hit with federal charges, making him eligible for death penalty, as he arrives in New York

Federal authorities unsealed the complaint Thursday in the high-profile case, which will proceed in parallel with the New York case in which he’s facing 11-counts at the state level.

nypost.com

He's a CEO so he is "important". You aren't. You're just a worthless fucking citizen.


That's the answer.

 

[libertysnake]

He's a CEO so he is "important". You aren't. You're just a worthless fucking citizen.


That's the answer.

These are the messages I'm getting.

Message 1: No one is above the law. We're all equal.
Message 2: This rich guy deserves a serious investigation unlike all the inner city black people that are gunned down each day.

If anything the very fact this is getting such high profile treatment just provides more evidence for classism and unequal treatment.

 

[Defilade]

He's a CEO so he is "important". You aren't. You're just a worthless fucking citizen.


That's the answer.

We have a National Holiday (Veterans Day) because of @GOPerfect . The CEO is the worthless fucking citizen!

 

[GOPerfect]

We have a National Holiday (Veterans Day) because of @GOPerfect . The CEO is the worthless fucking citizen!

Thanks man....

 

[GOPerfect]

These are the messages I'm getting.

Message 1: No one is above the law. We're all equal.
Message 2: This rich guy deserves a serious investigation unlike all the inner city black people that are gunned down each day.

If anything the very fact this is getting such high profile treatment just provides more evidence for classism and unequal treatment.

The above the law thing... There are so many levels of law in the US.

The list is endless.

One of the simplest examples that I can think of....

I am still on the job, I pull you over for excessive speed. We are pals on the forum and we speak on the phone. You're a buddy.... I will not be issuing that ticket.

Are you above the law? Yes, in this case you are.

 

[Acer-m14]

its only a recommended safe speed for fowl weather ..

the sign did not say MAX on it ..

 

[SonOfSun]

We have a National Holiday (Veterans Day) because of @GOPerfect . The CEO is the worthless fucking citizen!

I was more pointing out how the people that make the decisions feel. I'm not the one directing the resources. If I was, the CEO would be given the same priority as any other person. If that's not good enough for the CEO, then it's not good enough for everyone else.

 

[Robin]

We have a National Holiday (Veterans Day) because of @GOPerfect . The CEO is the worthless fucking citizen!

No, he was a man going about his life the best as he saw fit, a husband and father providing for his family who was ruthlessly gunned down, shot in the back , on camera, on a public street, by a valueless coward.
Robin