Republican budget includes cuts to Medicaid

[Saltwater60]

This will not go well and it will be interesting to see how Trump handles this. They said no cuts, at least Trump did and this will something that doesn’t go over well. I didn’t put this in the Trump thread because it’s not Trump but the house and congress. I get this might need to be done to balance out budget but this is not a way to win. If the Dems get back in they will spend more.

Proposed Medicaid cuts by Republicans leave patients and doctors fearing the worst

Republicans are rallying around work requirements and stricter eligibility screenings for Medicaid. Doctors and critics warn they could strip away coverage for rightful enrollees.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[thisIslandEarth]

Just was able to get my mom into a nursing home with Medicaid. They ( Medicaid ) took pretty much every penny she had to her name. Now, they want to cut Medicaid

 

[Brawny71]

This will not go well and it will be interesting to see how Trump handles this. They said no cuts, at least Trump did and this will something that doesn’t go over well. I didn’t put this in the Trump thread because it’s not Trump but the house and congress. I get this might need to be done to balance out budget but this is not a way to win. If the Dems get back in they will spend more.

Proposed Medicaid cuts by Republicans leave patients and doctors fearing the worst

Republicans are rallying around work requirements and stricter eligibility screenings for Medicaid. Doctors and critics warn they could strip away coverage for rightful enrollees.

www.nbcnews.com

Does it though? Has anyone (to include the author of the article) read it? The answer is no. THIS is one of many topics which has been said over and over and NOONE has said it is in the bill. Which Republican has preached doing this? The only impact that has been addressed for Medicare is that it should be used for Citizens ONLY.

This period of actors reading script is killing us with misinformation and innuendos. People are said to “SAY” something during these script reads, on line, or in print and yet…..NO QUOTES anywere in it. Strange don’t you think?

We are smarter then this. The increase in nose rings directly correlates to the American public being led by the nose, told what to be worried about (when it isn’t even a thing) and how to think and speak.

 

[Celt]

What are the specifics? I know medicaid was used to help finance illegals, over 16 billion was spent there.

Seems like they are targetting abusers of the system. Not everyone.

"In reality, it preserves and strengthens Medicaid for children, mothers, people with disabilities and the elderly—for whom the program was designed.”

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5294994-house-republicans-medicaid-bill/

 

[Brawny71]

I’ll tell you, if you don’t work in the healthcare sector or use it much, Medicare/ Medicade/ Tricare is not paying the bill very well. People are getting hit hard by very large co-pays, doctors won’t take it anymore which means “Go find another doctor”. This was WELL before this administration. Our healthcare system (in the Wealthiest nation in the world) is broken unless you have private insurance or money to burn. And the people you voted for haven’t done squat about it for decades.

We need to fix US before we can go into another relationship.

 

[Brawny71]

What are the specifics? I know medicaid was used to help finance illegals, over 16 billion was spent there.

Seems like they are targetting abusers of the system. Not everyone.

"In reality, it preserves and strengthens Medicaid for children, mothers, people with disabilities and the elderly—for whom the program was designed.”

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5294994-house-republicans-medicaid-bill/

Not disagreeing, but all these stories are subjective interpretations of what was read on the bathroom wall. Is there an actual posting of the proposed bill? Anything published and public showing what is being presented? Bill#, Who is the Author, Who is the committee, who co-sponsered. This has been the tactic for a very long time. Rile up the public, put the fear in the folks, they will never actually know the real deal.

How much of “Build Back Better” was actually in the bill? Have you read it? (to everyone, not Celt). How about the Green New Deal? Anyone read through that? If you are really feeling frisky, read some of the crap coming out of Albany with cool titles and then see what they actually are about.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

Good. No more full coverage for urgent care visits for the sniffles. No more free rides to appointments. Most Medicaid recipients get better health care than us on private insurance. It needs cuts.

 

[FP1201]

Just was able to get my mom into a nursing home with Medicaid. They ( Medicaid ) took pretty much every penny she had to her name. Now, they want to cut Medicaid

When my Mom went into skilled nursing for dementia the Medicaid rate was ~$1,500 a month and Self Pay was $12,500 plus a service charge by the State of .0650% and by the time of her passing (couple months short of the five year look back) it was $14K.
Medicaid/Medicare doesn't pay shit, and MANY on or accepting it exploit the hell out of it.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

What did we do before medicaid/Medicare? We should probably try that again.

 

[Acer-m14]

What did we do before medicaid/Medicare? We should probably try that again.

we should get rid of doctors too , the last one i went to would not take 2 chickens and a goat for a simple office visit ..

fuck these new doctors .. they don't know shit anyways .. some still running around with a mask on their face ..

 

[spat]

This will not go well and it will be interesting to see how Trump handles this. They said no cuts, at least Trump did and this will something that doesn’t go over well. I didn’t put this in the Trump thread because it’s not Trump but the house and congress. I get this might need to be done to balance out budget but this is not a way to win. If the Dems get back in they will spend more.

Proposed Medicaid cuts by Republicans leave patients and doctors fearing the worst

Republicans are rallying around work requirements and stricter eligibility screenings for Medicaid. Doctors and critics warn they could strip away coverage for rightful enrollees.

www.nbcnews.com

Nobody really cares if Medicaid gets less money.

What they care about is if they receive less services from Medicaid.

So, if they cut the budget, and simultaneously deport a bunch of people who were drawing from it, I don't think most voters will mind.

 

[spat]

What did we do before medicaid/Medicare? We should probably try that again.

The same thing we did before federal student loans.

Stuff was just cheap enough you could afford it without the government getting involved.

"We're going to help you by driving the prices so high you can't get this without us, then we're going to add all sorts of strings for you to access it before we will help".

 

[FRANKIE]

I guess no more 1 dollar copays for 30 days of
Eliquis for some.
For all others $800 dollars or,
go drop dead.

 

[Saltwater60]

Nobody really cares if Medicaid gets less money.

What they care about is if they receive less services from Medicaid.

So, if they cut the budget, and simultaneously deport a bunch of people who were drawing from it, I don't think most voters will mind.

Agree if we can do that it’s a win-win and judging by the lawsuit against LA the illegals aren’t supposed to be getting federal funding anyway, go figure. Somehow the republicans will screw it up though, I have no doubt about that.

 

[Zerex]

Removing illegals, from receiving any Medicaid and Welfare benefits, is necessary.

NYS alone contributes to this excess, by billions.

Medicaid has to be restricted to citizens.

Medicare is also given to illegals, and NGO's got money from many Fed programs to resettle illegals.

Medicaid is also given to pay for drug treatment centers, plastic surgery, and many other abuses.

Nursing homes are not free....except for illegals.
The Democrats are totally responsible for this.

 

[Saltwater60]

Removing illegals, from receiving any Medicaid and Welfare benefits, is necessary.

NYS alone contributes to this excess, by billions.

Medicaid has to be restricted to citizens.

Medicare is also given to illegals, and NGO's got money from many Fed programs to resettle illegals.

Medicaid is also given to pay for drug treatment centers, plastic surgery, and many other abuses.

Nursing homes are not free....except for illegals.
The Democrats are totally responsible for this.

The problem is legally I’m not sure they are illegals yet. The issue is the Biden admin admitted them in under the asylum protection program so they are here legally until a court tells them they aren’t in many cases. This isn’t all of them but plenty.

 

[Brawny71]

The problem is legally I’m not sure they are illegals yet. The issue is the Biden admin admitted them in under the asylum protection program so they are here legally until a court tells them they aren’t in many cases. This isn’t all of them but plenty.

“Conditionally “ granted temporary exception. AND failed to vet and verify due to a lack of “administrative support.” Common misused term of “They are legal” lately.

 

[Catskillkid]

Just was able to get my mom into a nursing home with Medicaid. They ( Medicaid ) took pretty much every penny she had to her name. Now, they want to cut Medicaid

My father thankfully passed before we had to put him in a nursing home but my mom and I were just about getting ready to do it (we couldn't care for him anymore). But if he had to go into skilled nursing they would take everything they had before Medicaid would pay anything like they did with your mom. Luckily, even if we did have to put dad in a nursing home we had an irrevocable trust established to protect the assets. But you have to be proactive about that long before you think you're going to need it. Thank God my parents had that foresight years ago.

It really is a crock of shit that hard working people pay into Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security their whole lives and then when they really need it the government provides exactly jack and shit. One of many major reasons my faith in our government and healthcare system is at exactly zero.

 

[Brawny71]

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www.congress.gov

 

[RedBreast21]

Last weekend I ran into some Trump protesters who were carrying on to anyone that would listen about medicare cuts. I calmly asked what the congressional bill numbers were and the first woman cursed me out. But I held firm as others were watching and I continued to press them on the bill numbers. A guy comes over to me, well dressed and asks me what my question is and when I told him he said "there isn't one but republicans have been known......." I walked away saying if there are no bill numbers your argument and protest are null and void. Then you should have heard them. It was like I kicked the hornets nest.

So unless outlets like MSNBC provide a link to the bill or a PDF, of the specific section, its all BS.


Edit- this is a link to the condense version of the bill.

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waysandmeans.house.gov

See MSNBC, that wasn't so hard to do.

 

[Grimscale]

I keep seeing everyone using "Medicaid" and "Medicare" interchangeably, even here in this thread.

So which one is supposedly being cut?
Medicare - which is deducted from our paychecks
or
Medicaid - which is welfare health insurance?

And, if cuts really are being done (which, so far, appears incorrect), what are those cuts and who is affected?

Even my mom, who gets most of her information from MSNBC and CNN, can only say "they are cutting medicaid" and "the Republicans have always wanted to do away with Medicare and Social Security" without anything definitive. And don't even think about mentioning how the Democrats are doing away with Medicare and Social Security by giving money to people who never paid into it!

 

[Saltwater60]

“Conditionally “ granted temporary exception. AND failed to vet and verify due to a lack of “administrative support.” Common misused term of “They are legal” lately.

I agree but the legal status granted to them by that moron complicated this matter greatly. It’s much like being charged with a crime vs convicted. If Biden stayed in I’ll bet all of their claims with few exceptions would have been grated.

 

[Saltwater60]

I keep seeing everyone using "Medicaid" and "Medicare" interchangeably, even here in this thread.

So which one is supposedly being cut?
Medicare - which is deducted from our paychecks
or
Medicaid - which is welfare health insurance?

And, if cuts really are being done (which, so far, appears incorrect), what are those cuts and who is affected?

Even my mom, who gets most of her information from MSNBC and CNN, can only say "they are cutting medicaid" and "the Republicans have always wanted to do away with Medicare and Social Security" without anything definitive. And don't even think about mentioning how the Democrats are doing away with Medicare and Social Security by giving money to people who never paid into it!

It’s Medicaid and they want to include a work requirement to get it. I fully support that because far too many sit around for free and can work. But does the vast majority of the USA support it and are they smart enough to make this distinction? The left and the media will showcase exceptions or those impacted negatively for political gain. This is an issue brought up during the campaign and was said it wouldn’t be touched. Again I support it but the mid term campaign ads are already writing themselves

 

[Brawny71]

I agree but the legal status granted to them by that moron complicated this matter greatly. It’s much like being charged with a crime vs convicted. If Biden stayed in I’ll bet all of their claims with few exceptions would have been grated.

A great deal of things get complicated by negating processes and systems in place. Their “Temporary Process” also negated allowing temp work permits and other systems. The lack of backing up what was said “Get here and We’ll take care of you” from the left side is amazing (Not really buy) to include AOC in her white dress crying and then “Not in my district”. Teaching folks to throw their ID papers and IDs away only complicates things for the people trying to do things legally and for real. But I digress.

 

[SonOfSun]

Eliminate Medicaid.

Eliminate spousal social security.

If you didn't pay in you don't deserve shit.

 

[spat]

The problem is legally I’m not sure they are illegals yet. The issue is the Biden admin admitted them in under the asylum protection program so they are here legally until a court tells them they aren’t in many cases. This isn’t all of them but plenty.

Unless they are actually granted permanent resident status, then their legal immigration status can be recinded very easily.

If you are on a temporary status, it is considered a privilege that can be revoked anytime.

People keep talking about due process without understanding what due process *is* for a temporary immigrant.

 

[Saltwater60]

Unless they are actually granted permanent resident status, then their legal immigration status can be recinded very easily.

If you are on a temporary status, it is considered a privilege that can be revoked anytime.

People keep talking about due process without understanding what due process *is* for a temporary immigrant.

I’m sure it can be but when it’s say 5 million that can complicate it. You’d think it would be easy and a few simple key strikes could accomplish it but I’ll bet it’s not that easy on purpose. I’ll bet the majority of its paper files for a reason. Maybe it’s all electronic and I’m wrong but something tells me otherwise

 

[spat]

I’m sure it can be but when it’s say 5 million that can complicate it. You’d think it would be easy and a few simple key strikes could accomplish it but I’ll bet it’s not that easy on purpose. I’ll bet the majority of its paper files for a reason. Maybe it’s all electronic and I’m wrong but something tells me otherwise

I don't think there is any serious desire to just deport the legal non-permanent resident immigrants.

And I don't think there should be.

But, they also don't get the benefit of the doubt the way a permanent resident or a citizen does.

You are entitled to a jury trial and a presumption of innocence before a criminal conviction, but your temporary status can be recinded based on just probable cause.

And things that would be protected speech for a citizen or permanent resident (for instance voicing support for Hamas) are more than enough to get your student visa canceled.

In any case, once that visa is canceled, you are ordered to leave. If you don't do so immediately, then you are an illegal subject to deportation.

That *is* all the process that they are due. Has been since at least the 90s.

 

[RooftopKorean]

Most Medicaid recipients get better health care than us on private insurance. It needs cuts.

My mother frequently said this when she was paying for her own private insurance out of pocket, and now says it getting Medicare. She worked her entire adult life in the US, owned two businesses with my father until they retired. My father received his healthcare through the VA until his death.

She gets very upset when she sees Medicaid recipients receiving better care than her. Its one of the reasons she finally became a Republican.

I recently lost my job. I always had dual insurance, my own and my wife's. Now that I lost my own and am only covered under my wife, her city job insurance refuses to cover my diabetic medication. Meanwhile, im sure Medicaid recipients would have no problem getting their medications covered. The system is so fucking broken. I worked for over 23 years as a Paramedic serving this fucking city (in different hospital based EMS systems) and I can't even get my one of my two medications covered.

And I still haven't received a dime of unemployment, its been over a month. The bureaucracy is terrible.

 

[Zerex]

When over 20 million illegals, get totally free Medicaid and Medicare services, and cash, cars, etc, it is simply communism run amok...............to bankrupt us, as Xi planned.

First tirage.......SPEEKEE ENGLAIS????

GTFO