What Are The Chances Of A Food Stamp Collapse In November?

[S&W Fan]

One thing that many do not get....

A generation ago, so many Americans in their local communities would "come to the rescue" to assist others in the community.

While it still happens, it is rare. Neighbors would help others without needing a thank you or a shout out.

Food pantry's were full by individual donations.

You know, I got chickens. Too many chickens for my family's need.

I have no need to sell the extras, I give them away. I was taking a bunch to the Court building that people could just take home. I stopped in the past week or so, 2 different people complained that some of the FREE eggs were too small and that I must be hoarding the larger ones.

You’re absolutely right , and good on you for doing so. You’ll never be able to please Everyone. Those who complain don’t really matter. The ones who don’t complain and appreciate the help do and they’re the ones who do matter.
You’re correct about neighbors helping neighbors. When I was growing up that was the norm where I lived. When neighbors noticed another neighbor struggling they helped where and when they could even when some were too stubborn/ proud to accept it willingly.

 

[S&W Fan]

I am picking up what you just placed down. I really am.

Where I live now, very poor area. Lots of poor people. Actually, massive amounts of them.

I know some of these people. Hard working, salt of the Earth kinds of folk.

Had a conversation with a couple of them today at the county building.

I do feel for them, both parents work, just not enough to cover all of their needs.

One lady I was talking to, she get food assistance for her family. She works, her husband works. One of the problems here, the rates of pay are very, very low. Even me, no empathy in most cases, I feel bad for her.

The system is so broken, needs to be mended. The only true way for it to end is to scrap it and retool who gets assistance and how they receive it.

Right again, the average wage scale in the south absolutely sucks and even hard working people are struggling because of it. Now I’m not saying that everyone should be paid ridiculous wages, that would obviously be counterproductive , but they should at least be paid a fair wage based on their skill level.

 

[livingston]

Folks
We all have seen people that are on welfare and food stamps for like forever. on the other hand some folks have a person in their life where in no fault of their own hit a bump. .. I have a cousin that married a man that was a gambled all the time ..Food stamps kept her and the children alive.
She did leave and after a few years found a good man and married him . For a while she had 3 kids under 4 years of age and really could not go to work . Just saying Don't paint everything with a broad brush.

 

[spat]

Its time to end the socialist free handouts to able bodied people who can actually work. I`m sick of paying for their free fucking meals, free healthcare, free cellphones, free place to live. Nobody pays for mine, you lazy god damn mutherfuggers! Let the fuggers whither on the vine! Fuggin raisins!



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I'm not opposed to the concept of charity. It certainly has it's place in a civilized society.

But, it is a very dangerous drug. Just like opiates, it is important when it's necessary, and very dangerous if over used.

It also needs to be administered at a very local level. Too much bureaucracy and it gets misapplied.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

One thing that many do not get....

A generation ago, so many Americans in their local communities would "come to the rescue" to assist others in the community.

While it still happens, it is rare. Neighbors would help others without needing a thank you or a shout out.

Food pantry's were full by individual donations

I learned all this from my grandmother. Very active in her church and community. Always helping everyone, and eventually being helped when she finally needed it in return. She paid taxes her entire adult life too. Government wanted to take her house when she required more care than she could afford or the community could provide.

Folks
We all have seen people that are on welfare and food stamps for like forever. on the other hand some folks have a person in their life where in no fault of their own hit a bump. .. I have a cousin that married a man that was a gambled all the time ..Food stamps kept her and the children alive.
She did leave and after a few years found a good man and married him . For a while she had 3 kids under 4 years of age and really could not go to work . Just saying Don't paint everything with a broad brush.

I hit a bump when my kids were born premature. All we needed from the nutrition fairy was special, expensive formula. They argued with my wife every single visit to take the other free shit and give it to a friend or family member. We refused. Just paying for formula with WIC was so incredibly embarrassing, as it should be for everyone.

I will never again accept "help" from the government. The goal now is to get my money back.

 

[technicalgadget]

I have no need to sell the extras, I give them away. I was taking a bunch to the Court building that people could just take home. I stopped in the past week or so, 2 different people complained that some of the FREE eggs were too small and that I must be hoarding the larger ones.

Unfuckingbelievable that people would have the galls to complain about something your doing as a charity for other folks. You hoarder you!

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

One thing that many do not get....

A generation ago, so many Americans in their local communities would "come to the rescue" to assist others in the community.

While it still happens, it is rare. Neighbors would help others without needing a thank you or a shout out.

Food pantry's were full by individual donations.

You know, I got chickens. Too many chickens for my family's need.

I have no need to sell the extras, I give them away. I was taking a bunch to the Court building that people could just take home. I stopped in the past week or so, 2 different people complained that some of the FREE eggs were too small and that I must be hoarding the larger ones.

I'm actually shocked people were complaining about a free nice thing.

Are you sure it's not possible they were just teasing you and busting your balls or anything? Maybe it was just their way of trying to be sociable or funny and it got lost in translation.

If they genuinely were complaining the free eggs we good enough, damn that's a horrible indicator that even a poor area like yours people are entitled and have high expectations. When things go sideways imagine how people will respond when they can't get what they think they deserve anymore

 

[FP1201]

I'm not opposed to the concept of charity. It certainly has it's place in a civilized society.

But, it is a very dangerous drug. Just like opiates, it is important when it's necessary, and very dangerous if over used.

It also needs to be administered at a very local level. Too much bureaucracy and it gets misapplied.

Our Community has two programs: a Food Distribution center, Rohde Center - Ending Hunger Starts Here! and a "Back Pack" program at the District Schools. Our largest industry is Farming and the structures that revolve around it...there are a lot of dirt poor families, I knew of one with a Special Needs kid that literally didn't have electricity and by default running water and that's what charity if for, helping those that absolutely DO need it, but this generation bullshit has got to stop as does those abusing the system...that said, a few times a year someone will get arrested and charged with fraud/ineligibility and they get hammered pretty hard, I think someone gets made an example of to warn others not to try defrauding the programs.

 

[GOPerfect]

I'm actually shocked people were complaining about a free nice thing.

Are you sure it's not possible they were just teasing you and busting your balls or anything? Maybe it was just their way of trying to be sociable or funny and it got lost in translation.

If they genuinely were complaining the free eggs we good enough, damn that's a horrible indicator that even a poor area like yours people are entitled and have high expectations. When things go sideways imagine how people will respond when they can't get what they think they deserve anymore

No, one woman left a note for me for when I came back with another delivery.

She complained to one of the ladies in the Assessors office as well.

 

[S&W Fan]

No, one woman left a note for me for when I came back with another delivery.

She complained to one of the ladies in the Assessors office as well.

You know what to do with rotten apples , right ?

 

[Bigfoot]

You know what to do with rotten apples , right ?

When we were kids, I used to throw them at my sister. Grandma was sometimes a target too.

 

[Bigfoot]

I think I might be going off topic again. Doh!

 

[Bigfoot]

 

[pshift]

Let the bodies hit the floor......

 

[GOPerfect]

You know what to do with rotten apples , right ?

I just stopped giving eggs to them. Now, just to the ladies in the court building.

 

[Jsmegs77]

You know what to do with rotten apples , right ?

Load into potato gun and try for distance? Also referred to as feeding the deer.

 

[OwnTheRide]

I think it should be for a certain amount of time and one would not be eligible for another block of time. The only approved items would be dried rice, dried beans, powdered milk, vegetable oil and canned tomatoes at a certain amount per month per person.
Those are literally the only things one needs to have a balanced diet with enough calories to find a way to better yourself

I have a plan that would ensure no one would go hungry, and would save us 80%+ of the costs of our current programs. I call it the "beans and rice" plan, and it is pretty similar to what you're saying here.

Basically, in every area, there should be a warehouse filled with bags of quality staple foods... rice, beans, potatoes, maybe even eggs or things you suggest like canned tomatoes and vegetable oil. Anyone should be able to come in and pick them up... no ID, no verification, no nothing.

By doing this, we would eliminate huge amounts of administrative overhead. We would eliminate massive amounts of waste. We would eliminate massive amounts of fraud. We would eliminate lots of taxpayer-funded unhealthy eating habits. And no one would have any excuse for going hungry.

I can go down the road and buy a 50lb bag of the best potatoes you've ever had for $17. I can go the other way down the road and buy 30 eggs for $5, so fresh that they're still warm from the chicken... even double-yolk eggs, if I want (same price!). A 50lb bag of potatoes, 50lb bag of rice, and 90 eggs would completely feed one person for a month - every meal until they're as full as they can be - for about $50, with plenty leftover.

I'm not all for taxpayer-funded charity, but if we're going to do it, this plan is a hell of a lot better than the frozen pizza/soda/chips plan that is currently in place, rife with fraud, and bloated with administration.

 

[spat]

I have a plan that would ensure no one would go hungry, and would save us 80%+ of the costs of our current programs. I call it the "beans and rice" plan, and it is pretty similar to what you're saying here.

Basically, in every area, there should be a warehouse filled with bags of quality staple foods... rice, beans, potatoes, maybe even eggs or things you suggest like canned tomatoes and vegetable oil. Anyone should be able to come in and pick them up... no ID, no verification, no nothing.

By doing this, we would eliminate huge amounts of administrative overhead. We would eliminate massive amounts of waste. We would eliminate massive amounts of fraud. We would eliminate lots of taxpayer-funded unhealthy eating habits. And no one would have any excuse for going hungry.

I can go down the road and buy a 50lb bag of the best potatoes you've ever had for $17. I can go the other way down the road and buy 30 eggs for $5, so fresh that they're still warm from the chicken... even double-yolk eggs, if I want (same price!). A 50lb bag of potatoes, 50lb bag of rice, and 90 eggs would completely feed one person for a month - every meal until they're as full as they can be - for about $50, with plenty leftover.

I'm not all for taxpayer-funded charity, but if we're going to do it, this plan is a hell of a lot better than the frozen pizza/soda/chips plan that is currently in place, rife with fraud, and bloated with administration.

Would need to take ID.

Otherwise, that stuff would be getting palletized and shipped overseas on the taxpayer dime.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I have a plan that would ensure no one would go hungry, and would save us 80%+ of the costs of our current programs. I call it the "beans and rice" plan, and it is pretty similar to what you're saying here.

Basically, in every area, there should be a warehouse filled with bags of quality staple foods... rice, beans, potatoes, maybe even eggs or things you suggest like canned tomatoes and vegetable oil. Anyone should be able to come in and pick them up... no ID, no verification, no nothing.

By doing this, we would eliminate huge amounts of administrative overhead. We would eliminate massive amounts of waste. We would eliminate massive amounts of fraud. We would eliminate lots of taxpayer-funded unhealthy eating habits. And no one would have any excuse for going hungry.

I can go down the road and buy a 50lb bag of the best potatoes you've ever had for $17. I can go the other way down the road and buy 30 eggs for $5, so fresh that they're still warm from the chicken... even double-yolk eggs, if I want (same price!). A 50lb bag of potatoes, 50lb bag of rice, and 90 eggs would completely feed one person for a month - every meal until they're as full as they can be - for about $50, with plenty leftover.

I'm not all for taxpayer-funded charity, but if we're going to do it, this plan is a hell of a lot better than the frozen pizza/soda/chips plan that is currently in place, rife with fraud, and bloated with administration.

Somebody worked their ass off to produce that food. Why should anyone get it for free?

Maybe the hungry people can work out a deal with the farmer to help harvest the food in exchange for a share of the harvest? You know, kind of like a job.

 

[Acer-m14]

As always, there's never a bad time to top off your preps.
Don't forget to include pet supplies, if applicable.

beef stew or really really good dog food ..



Jars of apple pie filling in the background hiding ..

 

[Acer-m14]

When they say I want to be a nurse, a teacher, and electrician they should be given free training by the government at a local training center with food and housing through the program.

The NAVY has 2 out of the 3 ,,

Boot Camp Instructor for teacher ?? then the NAVY has all 3 ..

 

[Acer-m14]

give every family in need 4 hens and 2 roosters ..

let nature take its coarse ..

#1 , don't eat all the eggs

#2 , don't eat the rooster until some eggs hatch

Repeat

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

 

[tirwin1]

If the Democrats thought a lack of food stamps would help them frame the shutdown as Trump's fault they would let everyone starve immediately.

 

[Saltwater60]

You have shared some pretty strange and F'ed up opinions on the forum in the past....

But, this one tops all said in the past.

Enough of all the free shit stolen from some to give to others.

Cannot do this on your own? Tough shit, you fail in the game of life.

It will never stop. So why not make it short term and then make them employable to gain tax money back. The problem is people on benefits for life that suck off the system for no reason. Why not give them what they need for a few years to be successful in life and then recoup all of that and then some off taxes? Think of it as an investment.

 

[Saltwater60]

We punish productivity through taxes and use those taxes to incentivize laziness.

How can anyone with half a fucking brain think this system makes sense?

What is the actual goal they are trying to achieve? I'll quit working right now if I could maintain the same rather comfortable lifestyle.

See my plan stops this and keeps any benefits short term. It makes people think I need to better myself. Agree or disagree the issue is people on benefits for a lifetime.
If we helped people for 2 - 5 years and put them in certain in demands jobs it’s an investment in their future and the future of our country. Through their work they would pay what was given to them and then some. We’d be a better richer, well trained country in the end. No free hand outs for life.

 

[technicalgadget]

 

[SonOfSun]

I'm not opposed to the concept of charity. It certainly has it's place in a civilized society.

But, it is a very dangerous drug. Just like opiates, it is important when it's necessary, and very dangerous if over used.

It also needs to be administered at a very local level. Too much bureaucracy and it gets misapplied.

There is a large difference between assisting someone who fell on hard times compared to a person who is just a leech with no drive to get back on their feet. A factory closure, your job getting eliminated, etc. can happen to anyone. I don't mind assistance for those people while they get things sorted out. I have a major issue with people who just want to leech off of everyone else and think they're owed other people supporting them and have zero motivation to improve their position.

 

[dwa12479]

Anyone on benefits that is not disabled should be asked what do you want to do in life when they apply. When they say I want to be a nurse, a teacher, and electrician they should be given free training by the government at a local training center with food and housing through the program. They should be given a time frame to complete this and it should be a faster time frame because they aren’t working. After this is complete they are never eligible for government assistance again outside of some horrible things happening to them.
This limits our liability and then they would be put in certain jobs where we will realize a return on our investment through income taxes.
The government should be run like a businesses and financing company. If investing in such a thing doesn’t provide a return then we don’t do it. If giving a person 4 years free college to be a teacher doesn’t end up with us getting a net benefit then they take another path. Yes I know teachers need a masters degree but that should be on them or the district once they start teaching.

Wait, what? We're going to hand out free higher educations to certain people while the rest of us pay our own way? Um, no. Hard no. Stop feeding the squirrels.

 

[CaseHardened]

I volunteered at a Food Pantry a few years ago, and I became so frustrated with the abuse I had to quit.

1: The food is terrible. Mostly canned goods, and I don't mean chili. Any actual protein might be canned red tuna (if you are lucky); never hamburg, chicken, etc. Never oranges. Usually day old bread is plentiful. Never orange juice, milk. cheese, yogurt ... or soda or candy and chips (LOL). A very good local Peanut Butter (Teddy's) is probably the best thing there. Perhaps Teddy's donates it from altruism. Wilted lettuce and soft tomatoes are available seasonally.

2: Aliens will send one person to "Hold Place" in the queue. Later a dozen illegals will join that person .... and don't you dare complain. The aliens are always female. Their men are out working under the table. Curiously in the cooler months the illegals are hard to find. They are wintering in their home countries.

4: The people we'd like to think deserve this food: American poor, disabled, involuntarilly unemployed, benefit very little. Aliens grab everything good .. when there is anything good.

5: Oh, you want white rice with weevils, and dry pasta with Pantry Moths, you have found the best source for critters in town,