DONE CCI Mini Mag 22LR

[TopShot]

CCI Mini Mag 22LR.
Copper Plated Round Nose.
1235 FPS, 40 Grain.
30 X 100 Sealed Boxes.
Must transfer through an FFL.
$175.
C.B.

 

[Parzival]

Will you ship?

 

[TopShot]

Sorry, too expensive to ship.
Will deliver and meet at an FFL if not too far.
C.B.

 

[C_staz]

Can I ask why an FFL?

 

[JRtraderny]

Can I ask why an FFL?

Because Hochul has everyone brainwashed .

 

[TopShot]

Can I ask why an FFL?

Unfortunately now in NYS all ammo sales have to be transferred by an FFL.
It's just another way for NYS is hoping to keep ammo sales at a minimum.
C.B.

 

[togmaster]

Unfortunately now in NYS all ammo sales have to be transferred by an FFL.
It's just another way for NYS is hoping to keep ammo sales at a minimum.
C.B.

C. not for private sales.

 

[S&W Fan]

Unfortunately now in NYS all ammo sales have to be transferred by an FFL.
It's just another way for NYS is hoping to keep ammo sales at a minimum.
C.B.

Not true. Private sales are just that , Private. Commercially is a different animal all together.

 

[S&W Fan]

Good luck with the sale. I’m still drooling over all that .40 stuff that you we’re selling.

 

[TopShot]

Not true. Private sales are just that , Private. Commercially is a different animal all together.

Yes, but as a law abiding gun owner how do I know if the person
I sell ammo to is also a Law Abiding Gun Owner, A Cop or a Perp.
In this respect, I will follow the rules.
C.B.

 

[byron]

Unfortunately now in NYS all ammo sales have to be transferred by an FFL.
It's just another way for NYS is hoping to keep ammo sales at a minimum.
C.B.

but this does not apply to private sellers (N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.00(24)). this is from NY GUN DEALER REGULATIONS
“Seller of ammunition” is any person, firm or corporate entity engaging in the business of purchasing, selling, or keeping ammunition, but this does not apply to private sellers (N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.00(24)). If ammunition sellers are not already licensed firearm dealers in the state of New York, they must register with local police.

A licensed dealer in firearms or registered seller of ammunition must be the intermediary between the transferor and the ultimate transferee in all commercial sales of ammunition (N.Y. Penal Law § 400.03(7)). Physical transfer of ammunition must be in person. (N.Y. Penal Law § 400.03(7)).

he seller conducts a check with the state’s electronic database and, receives a number identifying the transaction and signifying that the transferee is not prohibited by law from possessing the firearm or ammunition.

Before the transfer, the ammunition seller or gun dealer must also check the valid driver’s license or other photo identification of the prospective purchaser

https://nyagv.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Gun_dealer_regulations.pdf

page 2. could not be any clearer Does not apply to privet sales Mabey they should have put it in big red letters so some dealers and people could see it

 

[TopShot]

but this does not apply to private sellers (N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.00(24)). this is from NY GUN DEALER REGULATIONS
“Seller of ammunition” is any person, firm or corporate entity engaging in the business of purchasing, selling, or keeping ammunition, but this does not apply to private sellers (N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.00(24)). If ammunition sellers are not already licensed firearm dealers in the state of New York, they must register with local police.

A licensed dealer in firearms or registered seller of ammunition must be the intermediary between the transferor and the ultimate transferee in all commercial sales of ammunition (N.Y. Penal Law § 400.03(7)). Physical transfer of ammunition must be in person. (N.Y. Penal Law § 400.03(7)).

he seller conducts a check with the state’s electronic database and, receives a number identifying the transaction and signifying that the transferee is not prohibited by law from possessing the firearm or ammunition.

Before the transfer, the ammunition seller or gun dealer must also check the valid driver’s license or other photo identification of the prospective purchaser

https://nyagv.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Gun_dealer_regulations.pdf

page 2. could not be any clearer Does not apply to privet sales Mabey they should have put it in big red letters so some dealers and people could see it

That link is old and wrong.
First off Westchester county pistol permits are now 3 years, not 5.
Secondly the stature N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.00(24) says nothing about private sales.
C.B.

 

[JRtraderny]

That link is old and wrong.
First off Westchester county pistol permits are now 3 years, not 5.
Secondly the stature N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.00(24) says nothing about private sales.
C.B.

Sorry private ammo sales are not included in any of Hochul's misguided laws , prove me wrong.

 

[S&W Fan]

That link is old and wrong.
First off Westchester county pistol permits are now 3 years, not 5.
Secondly the stature N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.00(24) says nothing about private sales.
C.B.

All of NYS pistol permits are now 3 yrs. They have been since the second cycle of renewals. It’s no sweat bud. Sell your ammo as you feel comfortable. We’re All just trying to let you know that neither you nor the buyer have to go through an FFL for a private sale. Period. You do you , all’s good.

 

[TopShot]

Ammunition Registration

gunsafety.ny.gov

Is a background check now required for the purchase of ammunition?
Yes, a firearms dealer or ammunition seller may not transfer ownership of ammunition to any purchaser who is not a firearms dealer or ammunition seller, unless the purchaser has first passed a background check.

C.B.

 

[JRtraderny]

Ammunition Registration

gunsafety.ny.gov

Is a background check now required for the purchase of ammunition?
Yes, a firearms dealer or ammunition seller may not transfer ownership of ammunition to any purchaser who is not a firearms dealer or ammunition seller, unless the purchaser has first passed a background check.

C.B.

So which are you then a firearms dealer or a registered ammunition seller ? If you are neither then this law does not apply to you .

 

[TopShot]

So which are you then a firearms dealer or a registered ammunition seller ? If you are neither then this law does not apply to you .

I wish you were right.
I being in possession of ammo am an ammo seller according to the statement

This is from Google AI.

Q. In NYS is a person allowed to sell ammo privately to his friend or another person.
A. "No, in New York, you generally cannot legally sell or give ammo to a friend because the state's SAFE Act requires all ammunition sales, including gifts, to go through a licensed dealer (FFL) and involve a background check, making private person-to-person transfers illegal without this formal process and recorded sale. Even transferring ammo to a friend, even if they legally own guns, must follow these rules, meaning it must be bought/sold via a licensed seller who runs the mandatory background check."
C.B.

 

[Nontypical]

Just because Google AI says something, doesn’t mean it is correct. They have been proven to give incorrect answers on many occasions.

Yes, but as a law abiding gun owner how do I know if the person
I sell ammo to is also a Law Abiding Gun Owner, A Cop or a Perp.
In this respect, I will follow the rules.
C.B.

If the person is a law abiding gun owner, they will have a NYS pistol permit.

 

[Parzival]

If the person is a law abiding gun owner, they will have a NYS pistol permit.

What if they don’t own a handgun?

 

[Nontypical]

What if they don’t own a handgun?

Valid point. I should have stated that at least if they have a pistol permit, then they’re good to go. It still shouldn’t even come down to that though. A background check is only required if the seller is engaged in the business.

24. "Seller of ammunition" means any person, firm, partnership,
corporation or company who engages in the business of purchasing,
selling or keeping ammunition.

 

[FP1201]

Unfortunately now in NYS all ammo sales have to be transferred by an FFL.
It's just another way for NYS is hoping to keep ammo sales at a minimum.
C.B.

erroneous information deleted.
I cannot find anything contrary, and I have no validation to the accuracy of this web sites FAQ's

How much ammo can you buy in NY (New York)? | [January Updated]

How much ammo can you buy in NY (New York)? In New York, there are no specific limits on the amount of ammunition a person can buy. However, it is important to note that individuals must comply with all federal, state, and local laws regarding the purchase and possession of ammunition...

thegunzone.com

 

[Nontypical]

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

 

[Saltwater60]

Anyone who sells ammo needs to be a registered seller of ammo. Engaging in the business of selling ammo doesn’t mean you do it weekly. NYS business law basically says anytime you sell something you’re engaging in the business of selling. It’s a trap because you need to look at and understand the business side of the law and apply it here. This is why there is no volume number or dollar figure assigned to this law. Also the guy who sold a few boxes of ammo at his bait shop needed to register as a seller of ammo.
Think of it as if you sell a used something or other on Facebook marketplace or eBay you’re supposed to report that as income. No one does.

 

[TopShot]

Anyone who sells ammo needs to be a registered seller of ammo. Engaging in the business of selling ammo doesn’t mean you do it weekly. NYS business law basically says anytime you sell something you’re engaging in the business of selling. It’s a trap because you need to look at and understand the business side of the law and apply it here. This is why there is no volume number or dollar figure assigned to this law. Also the guy who sold a few boxes of ammo at his bait shop needed to register as a seller of ammo.
Think of it as if you sell a used something or other on Facebook marketplace or eBay you’re supposed to report that as income. No one does.

I know, I couldn't find any NYS stature on ammo sales but all point to ammo being transferred through an FFL.
Believe me, I don't need to get jammed up by selling something I no longer use.
C.B.

 

[Beerman]

New York Penal Law § 265.00 subdivision 24 defines a "seller of ammunition" as any person, firm, partnership, corporation, or company who engages in the business of purchasing, selling, or keeping ammunition.

By the OP’s interpretation, because he would be selling ammunition he is therefore engaged in the business of selling ammunition. With me so far?

Next, let’s look at the part where it says “engages in the business of purchasing” ammunition. Does that mean any person who buys ammunition is engaged in business as a seller of ammunition? Depending on how obstinate, pedantic, misinterpretive and obtuse one chooses to be will give you your answer. Read the definition of “seller of ammunition” again and again. It’s a trap if the prosecution so wishes it to be. There is no definition in 265.00 that outlines or describes “in the business of” regarding guns or ammo.

 

[TopShot]

The $64,000 Question.
Who wants to take the chance selling ammo to someone you don't know and possibly lose your handgun license ?
NOT ME !!!
C.B.

 

[byron]

Ammunition Registration

gunsafety.ny.gov

Is a background check now required for the purchase of ammunition?
Yes, a firearms dealer or ammunition seller may not transfer ownership of ammunition to any purchaser who is not a firearms dealer or ammunition seller, unless the purchaser has first passed a background check.

C.B.

Read New York

Definitions number 24 this is straight from NY​

24. "Seller of ammunition" means any person, firm, partnership,
corporation or company who engages in the business of purchasing,
selling or keeping ammunition.

confession comes in because people don.t read the definitions or can't understand Plan English KEY words
who engages in the business of purchasing,
selling

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

www.nysenate.gov

 

[byron]

NEW YORK'S GUN LAWS this is clarified in what was sent to dealers if they bothered to read it

GUN DEALER REGULATIONS

Sale of Guns & Ammunition

“Seller of ammunition” is any person, firm or corporate entity engaging in the business of purchasing, selling, or keeping ammunition, but this does not apply to private sellers (N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.00(24)). If ammunition sellers are not already licensed firearm dealers in the state of New York, they must register with local police.

 

[Beerman]

NEW YORK'S GUN LAWS this is clarified in what was sent to dealers if they bothered to read it

GUN DEALER REGULATIONS

Sale of Guns & Ammunition

“Seller of ammunition” is any person, firm or corporate entity engaging in the business of purchasing, selling, or keeping ammunition, but this does not apply to private sellers (N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.00(24)). If ammunition sellers are not already licensed firearm dealers in the state of New York, they must register with local police.

The intent to actively generate income or operate a licensed business through the sale of ammunition should be obvious, and anyone else is a private selller. Selling a used car in a private sale doesn’t make someone a car dealer, no more than a “for sale by owner” real estate transaction makes someone a realtor. NYS is greasy and devious, though. For example, sell your house and leave the state and see how much $ the vampire wants to siphon off your sales profit.

 

[Nontypical]

This is what you need to be a registered seller of ammo in NYS. If you’re not registered with NY, then you’re not in the business and a private citizen.
The way I see it is if you had to have a background check to purchase the ammunition, then you’re a private citizen.