Please explain why those magazine locks are a ( your words ) no-go.
In a round about way, a precedent has been set. If the Mean Arms mag lock was deemed not acceptable, considering when attached it sheared off the bolt head so you had to use power tools to remove it, then the next two closets which are the Cross Armory and DDs Ranch which remove the release button but are easier to reverse then the MA lock was. And the Prince 50 and Safemod are even easier. As much as I dislike typing that it's fact.
Yup. And, those criminals are protected and are issued get out of jail free cards for any crime they commit. Any crime! Yet you or I will get the hammer for something as stupid as what we use to fix a magazine to a firearm.
A well asked question. They aren’t saying they are illegal only that mean arms can’t sell them in NYS anymore. I wonder if they will review other mag locks and determine them to be a no go in the future.
So were they deemed not legal or was it part of the settlement to not sell them in NYS. I think this was civil and not criminal so I’m not sure your analysis is the way I would approach it.
With all due respect. You can't be serious. You're trolling me right? This is NYS, and even though this was a civil case, it will be used by every liberal judge who doesn't like guns as a basis. We're talking about a state that thumbed it nose at SCOTUS with Bruen. So the next guy or gal who for whatever reason ends up in front of a judge for a mag lock, this will be used as a sort of basis, or precedent. It makes no difference here in New Yorkistan that it was a civil case. What will matter is a judge and the AG deemed that mag lock unacceptable so anything less than that will be as well.
No one here would say that the unsafe act is Constitutional, or that the black robed activists wont do the bidding of the anti gunners, but I dont see how this can be used against fixed mag solutions in criminal cases. I dont doubt they would try, but the law does not seem vague on this aspect. Fixed means not readily detachable. The letter of the law does not say "permanent". And anything that requires disassembly of the action, or use of tools renders a magazine not readily detachable.
How can this be overturned? It's a settlement they agreed to. It's not a judgement against them.
Mean Arms has to notify dealers that their products are illegal to sell in NY.
Not so much over turned, but someone needs to step up. This is a great opportunity for NRA, GOA, and all those other bullshitters people give money to to earn that money and sue NY on the fact that this case was bogus from the start. It was a bogus case that there no existing law for. Mean Arms was sued for more or less breaking a law that doesn't exist.
Never mind. Somet live in real NY some live in the fantasy NY. See above post.
Again, they admitted to wrongdoing and agreed to pay out. Nothing to challenge here. The horse is out of the barn. They have already decided not to challenge this.
There are multiple considerations that must be explored regarding your assertions: First off, NRA, GOA, et.al. cannot just interject themselves into Court Cases without invitation, and even then the merits of the Case and membership of the defendant must be established.
You’re betting that they will pursue criminal charges in a matter like this and I’m not sure they will unless someone removes the maglock. They like the grey area this creates. They have come across guns like this in wild and not listed charges, I’m sure of that.
I would tend to agree with this. In the case the thread was started about the guy removed the locking feature before committing a crime, and the case is a civil matter because of their poor wording on the packaging.You’re betting that they will pursue criminal charges in a matter like this and I’m not sure they will unless someone removes the maglock. They like the grey area this creates. They have come across guns like this in wild and not listed charges, I’m sure of that.
If they wanted to pursue this you will know about it very shortly. I know for certain the NYSP and Erie county sheriffs have inspected the guns from DDs Ranch with his maglock on them. I have seen it more than a few times with my own two eyes. Why haven’t they told him to stop selling them?
If memory serves me correctly he even submitted his design to the NYSP. I don’t think he ever received a confirmation but they never told him to stop. It’s still for sale and I can all but assure you he seemed legal counsel after the Tops shooting. He’d be stupid to have not. Of course I don’t know that he did seek legal advice after this mess.
Super easy way to make them permanent and easy to remove at the same time. I put some plumbers putty on there and then epoxy over that. Easy to heat or drill out the epoxy then just stick the Allen key into the plumbers putty and remove if needed or allowed.
Exactly.
