US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

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They already did that.

We didnt finish. We need to wipe out the Iranian troops, little by little, Not massive bombing, find em and send in some Warthogs and straff the shit outta them.

 

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He's been trying to spur the citizens to over throw the "regime" since day one, I think thats fairly obvious.

lol, they been trying to do that for decades, not working

. I'm pretty sure threatening to hit civilian targets such as power plants, bridges was just another push to have them take control of their own nation.

Ok , so just what the fuck is left to hit now? we beat the shit out of their navy, never had a real air force , bombed the shit out of the military, so whats left to hit? Theres not a whole lot left to bomb. so the threat makes sense .

Fuck em, bomb them back into oblivion. Not civilian targets, we killed any radar they had, just track the troops and hit them with surgical attacks, like we did to the ayatolahs

Not civilian targets? . lol bridges are civilian targets the grid is a civilian target as well as a military one desalination plants are civilian targets

theres no way to hit those targets without Affecting the population

If you believe they are going to turn on the government and embrace the foreign invaders your nuts , not gonna happen ever .

Its going to require a ground force of immense proportions

 

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We didnt finish. We need to wipe out the Iranian troops, little by little, Not massive bombing, find em and send in some Warthogs and straff the shit outta them.

what the hell is that going to do if we dont invade? and the logistics behind that kind of operation are huge , the warthogs range is 300 miles , Iran is thousands of square miles it requires fuel and tankers and ammo and a nearby land base inside Iran to be effective . turn around time has to be quick . Iran has roughly 500K to 1 million men now. they also have effective manpads which could take its toll over time on the warthogs too. They knocked down 2 or three recently .You have to have an army go in and dig them out of the mountains to defeat them

Not saying it cant be done, but the size of that kind of thing is immense

The thing is, we already destroyed their labs killed their scientists , We were told they no longer have the ability to make nukes . so whats the point? Make Israel safe again?

 

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These videos are of some of the regime's victims, who the Trump administration has repeatedly said is not our enemy or target.

These are the Iranians who are of late socially pushing back a bit harder now than they were daring to push before February. They are testing the waters.

They arent testing jack shit. theres a handfull of CIA backed resistors at best. This has been tried multiple times over the years and always failed.

Not saying they love the regime, but choosing between a foreign backed government or their shitty leaders , they choose their own shitty leaders over our shitty leaders

 

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In 99 Clinton and NATO bombed the grid in Serbia, had no juice for almost a year. Just curious, did your heart bleed for them when it happened? Were you as outspoken against the POTUS and his military as you are now?

I wasn't aware of the grid strikes , but I was against the break up of Yugoslavia

 

[Steal2B]

They arent testing jack shit. theres a handfull of CIA backed resistors at best. This has been tried multiple times over the years and always failed.

Not saying they love the regime, but choosing between a foreign backed government or their shitty leaders , they choose their own shitty leaders over our shitty leaders

You'll believe what you want, but you are wrong. This recent public discourse discussion challenging the regime mentioned in the video .... as well as the depicted civil disobedience, on Moali'Abad Blvd in Shiraz / Fars Province, towards the "Chastity and Hijab" bill (tightened by Iran's Parliment and Guardian Council in 2024) mandating compulsory veiling of their hair in public are in fact testing the regime.

Iranian law flat out mandates fines, prison sentences, and surveillance for violators shown in these videos so it does show some testing the waters with civil disobedience. Granted these are clearly not protests and are likely not widespread but those people are flouting regime mandates.

You can't have it both ways. If on one post they are called "normal Iranians Some of you want to kill " and then in a following post they can't be " a handful of CIA backed resistors".

 

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what the hell is that going to do if we dont invade? and the logistics behind that kind of operation are huge , the warthogs range is 300 miles , Iran is thousands of square miles it requires fuel and tankers and ammo and a nearby land base inside Iran to be effective . turn around time has to be quick . Iran has roughly 500K to 1 million men now. they also have effective manpads which could take its toll over time on the warthogs too. They knocked down 2 or three recently .You have to have an army go in and dig them out of the mountains to defeat them

Not saying it cant be done, but the size of that kind of thing is immense

The thing is, we already destroyed their labs killed their scientists , We were told they no longer have the ability to make nukes . so whats the point? Make Israel safe again?

We've already effected 2 regime changes.

We just keep playing whack-a-mole with their leadership until either their whole government falls to a revolution, or we get someone in charge who would rather play ball than die.

 

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You can't have it both ways. If on one post they are called "normal Iranians Some of you want to kill " and then in a following post they can't be " a handful of CIA backed resistors".

Sure it can, We have things in the US called protests without having to overthrow the government , Like I said , for certain there are things they dont like about their leadership, that doesn't make them revolutionaries , The intelligence has been over rated/valued . they now have the chance to rise up and overthrow the government , but they dont.

A similar thing happened in Iraq, We were told the same thing, but instead of embracing the US bombs they chose to conduct a guerrilla war for the next 10 years

 

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We've already effected 2 regime changes.

We just keep playing whack-a-mole with their leadership until either their whole government falls to a revolution, or we get someone in charge who would rather play ball than die.

You think playing whack-a-mole with their leadership is a good foreign policy? Hasnt worked out so far. And if past events are indicators of future probabilities, it doesnt look so good .

Personally, I believe the Iranian people will resist with everything they have , They believe the west is immoral ,homosexual,imperialists that have thier eyes on the prize of the Iranian oil fields , and the expansion of Israel . They are not going to submit to what they refer to as the great and lesser Satan . they are going to choose the lesser of 2 evils and fight for their own government, fucked up as it may be

The reality is, We are not bombing the shit out of them to ""help"" the people. thats utter nonsense the costs are enormous and the benefits are nothing. We are there to destroy the regime, secure the gulf and the Iranian oil fields and secure the safety of Israel , Keep the petro dollar alive denying or dictating to china the price of oil by securing the gulf region .

Make no mistake, Venezuela is deeply involved as iran in all this , China was very very close to Venezuela before we put a stop to it

China has little or no natural oil producing capabilities, thats their Achilles heel . Controlling the petrol dollar secures the future of the US dollar against the BRIC nations for the next 20 or 30 years .

This is an extremely complex global situation . its not just good guys and bad guys like the story they sell to the useless eaters

 

[Defilade]

Trust the plan! Jesus 2.0 knows what he is doing.

 

[Bigfoot]

 

[Steal2B]

Looks like the regime is hanging a couple Iranians every day or so

 

[Steal2B]

After delivering the proposal, Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi said, “Now the ball is in the United States’ court to choose the path of diplomacy or the continuation of a confrontational approach.”

So what's this latest and greatest 14 point plan that some media says Trump should consider. I read several reports from various worldwide sources and I failed to see any Iranian language softening or concessions. It was a waste of time. Nothing really changed. They are demanding ....

Resolve all issues and end the war within 30 days (not just instead a ceasefire)

Worldwide guarantees of no future military aggression against Iran

Withdrawal of all U.S. forces from the entire middle east including Marine Embassy guards

End to any naval blockades against Iran or its partners

Release of all frozen Iranian assets

Payment of reparations to Iran

Lifting of all sanctions against Iran

End all fighting against Iranian allies in Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq, and Yemen

Agreement that the entire Strait of Hormuz is Iranian territory

A mechanism for Iranian governance of the Strait of Hormuz (permission to pass, tolls, fee's, etc)

Guarantee against future aggression against Iranian nuclear scientists and sabotage to its nuclear sites.

Iran's right to uranium enrichment shall be guaranteed

Iran's right to nuclear programs (e.g. weapons) is guaranteed

No dismantling of nuclear, missle, or weapons facilities

Iran retains it's enriched fuel

Iran can maintain its missile capabilities and development as a core issue, with no concessions

I don't see how this latest proposal from Iran can be taken as an effort towards a timely peaceful settlement.

 

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You think playing whack-a-mole with their leadership is a good foreign policy? Hasnt worked out so far. And if past events are indicators of future probabilities, it doesnt look so good .

Personally, I believe the Iranian people will resist with everything they have , They believe the west is immoral ,homosexual,imperialists that have thier eyes on the prize of the Iranian oil fields , and the expansion of Israel . They are not going to submit to what they refer to as the great and lesser Satan . they are going to choose the lesser of 2 evils and fight for their own government, fucked up as it may be

The reality is, We are not bombing the shit out of them to ""help"" the people. thats utter nonsense the costs are enormous and the benefits are nothing. We are there to destroy the regime, secure the gulf and the Iranian oil fields and secure the safety of Israel , Keep the petro dollar alive denying or dictating to china the price of oil by securing the gulf region .

Make no mistake, Venezuela is deeply involved as iran in all this , China was very very close to Venezuela before we put a stop to it

China has little or no natural oil producing capabilities, thats their Achilles heel . Controlling the petrol dollar secures the future of the US dollar against the BRIC nations for the next 20 or 30 years .

This is an extremely complex global situation . its not just good guys and bad guys like the story they sell to the useless eaters

I think the Iranian people are a lot less enamored with their leadership than you think.

They've executed 40,000 people so far this year for anti-government activities. You don't get that in a system where the people back the leadership.

So, I really don't think the Iranian *people* will resist anything but their own government. We kill another Ayatollah and they'll have another party.

As for "it hasn't been successful yet", you can say that about the Russians in Ukraine after several years, but you can't say that here after only a couple months.

If we're still playing this game in the fall you might have a point, but it's really dishonest to try to claim it's failed at this early point.

 

[SonOfSun]

This war was demanded by Israel. So says the US government.
Source: State.gov - Operation Epic Fury and International Law

Direct from the state department: ​

"On February 28, the United States Armed Forces launched Operation Epic Fury with a set of clear objectives: to “[d]estroy Iranian offensive missiles, destroy Iranian missile production, destroy [Iran’s] navy and other security infrastructure,” and, finally, ensure that Iran “will never have nuclear weapons.”​

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Epic Fury is only the latest round of an ongoing international armed conflict with Iran. As the United States has explained in multiple letters to the U.N. Security Council, including most recently on March 10, the United States is engaged in this conflict at the request of and in the collective self-defense of its Israeli ally"​

Padded with power here they come
International loan sharks backed by the guns
Of market hungry military profiteers
Whose word is a swamp and whose brow is smeared
Who rob life of its quality
Who render rage a necessity
Modern slavers in drag as champions of freedom

 

[Steal2B]

Pretty sure, however, the David in the "David vs Goliath" thing was Jewish.

 

[holdover]

Looks like the regime is hanging a couple Iranians every day or so

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Wish they did that here, it would be a hell of a lot more than 2