No interest in making offers, I bought elsewhere.
His business and he can run it how he wants, I’m sure in this area it sold but I wasn’t buying.
FFL Transfers- What happened to the inexpensive firearm transfers?
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His business and he can run it how he wants, I’m sure in this area it sold but I wasn’t buying.
Cattafly
.40 S&W
Why is that? Most smaller FFL's will give a little better price, especially if it has been sitting around for a while. You would think you knew that being as how you worked the other side of the counter.
It’s a Gen 6 Glock, it hasn’t been sitting there long. It would be a waste of my time and his…we would never get close.
Bustedknees
12-gauge slug (smooth bore)
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Whoa this is huge!New Form 4473 Draft: Sex Field Reduced to Male and Female, Marijuana Question Updated, Direct Shipping Added - USA Carry
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The Big One: Direct Shipping
The most significant change in the draft is on page three. The new form includes an option for “Non-over-the-counter transactions,” which corresponds to the ATF’s separately published Non-Over-the-Counter Transfer rule. That rule allows FFLs to ship firearms directly to a buyer’s door rather than requiring the buyer to physically pick up the firearm at a gun shop, provided the FFL and buyer are in the same state.
This is the change the Second Amendment community has been talking about most. For buyers in rural areas or in states where the nearest FFL is not particularly close, direct shipping eliminates a meaningful logistical hurdle. It also brings firearms transactions in line with how nearly every other consumer good is purchased and delivered in 2026.
The Non-Over-the-Counter rule was published in the Federal Register earlier this week, and the Form 4473 draft adds the corresponding section to make compliance straightforward for FFLs participating in direct shipping transactions.
Why It Matters
A shorter form means fewer paperwork errors. Fewer paperwork errors mean fewer FFL revocations driven by minor administrative mistakes, which were a major focus of the previous administration’s zero-tolerance policy against gun dealers. A simplified straw purchase question reduces buyer confusion and keeps lawful gift transactions clean. A revised marijuana question recognizes that millions of state-legal medical marijuana patients should not be permanently disarmed under federal law. Direct shipping is a long-overdue modernization.
Brawny71
.44 mag
Keep in mind, ship direct to buyer depends on State restrictions. For instance handguns in NYS. Some states already allow; hence the proposed changes. Some do not.
Cattafly
.40 S&W
Ok, so how is this going to work in NY? As we all know the hurdles are much tougher here and it does say FFL and buyer must be in the same state.. Being how it's a federal form I assume it won't change anything for ammunition sales, correct?
The buyer still has to physically fill out and sign the 4473, and then withstand the NICS check process.
Unless the 4473 is allowed to be filled out online, the submitting proof of identity, detecting false/stolen ID, or from dead people especially, ID of buyer, will be a big problem to overcome. as every BLM, illegal and felon will want to get false ID, to buy the gunz.
Lee Harvey Oswald bought his Carcano from Kleins, the same as me.............I did buy a Mauser by mail in 1965 from Kleins.
In state only..NYS?
Unless the 4473 is allowed to be filled out online, the submitting proof of identity, detecting false/stolen ID, or from dead people especially, ID of buyer, will be a big problem to overcome. as every BLM, illegal and felon will want to get false ID, to buy the gunz.
Lee Harvey Oswald bought his Carcano from Kleins, the same as me.............I did buy a Mauser by mail in 1965 from Kleins.
In state only..NYS?
NYS will loose their fucking minds over this considering they demand camera's videoing and retaining sales for two years...You know those thugs get their guns from Gun Shops and Walmarts with no questions asked.
That is subjective bullshit! Positive identification with a matching address is the first qualifier when conducting a BGC, beside the gun community has LONG HELD and PROVED that "criminals" do not utilize legitimate sources to illegally obtain guns.
Sounds to me like you're a bit raciest that Blacks are the ones getting guns illegally and indiscriminately shooting each other?
Criminals by their very nature can, do, and will find ways around every roadblock the liberal government (that you seem to align with) puts up.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Many remote ways to do this. I was hired by people that never saw me in person. We did it over zoom chat. The government does this regularly today for many functions.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
The 4473 isn’t used for ammo and is a state function so likely no.
Also so what if you have to be in the same state as the FFL. There are two good ones by me, both an hour or more away from me. This will give you the opportunity to shop around for price and availability. You can then have the gun shipped to your house potentially instead of driving to and from the FFLs twice for a total of 4 hours driving for me. Now I have to buy the gun in person for a pistol and the submit my lacework to the permit office, have the gun added to my permit, then return to the FFL to get the gun. I’d gladly pay $25-$30 to avoid a 4- hour drive for the two trips.
I’m not sure everyone in nys needs to have the gun added to their permit and a coupon to the FFL forcing two trips. I could now buy the gun remotely, have the paperwork emailed to me, mail it to the permit office, remote or mail it to the FFL and have the gun shipped to me.
I’m sure nys will squash it though.
I would make Handgun Sales in NY much simpler: Every Show, there's always one that's delayed doing a check and or lives hours away from the Shop which really puts a kibosh into an otherwise great deal...sucks to have to drive 2-3-4 hours each way to finalize a Handgun Transfer when the paperwork could be Mailed and subsequently the gun shipped in a Flat Rate Box.
FWIW: Some Counties are allowing Dealers to fax/e-mail a Receipt for a Handgun to the County Clerk (maybe the purchaser as well), so it's there and the Amendments can be processed so when you visit the Dealer it's essentially a re-sign and go.
Brawny71
.44 mag
I would agree. But the change is ability to ship direct to the persons home; you’re talking the background process. Two counties by me allow me to do the background and transmit to their office to add to permit direct. YES, makes it very much easier. However, if you buy out of state, they SHIP it direct to you, the process to have it registered in NYS is skipped which makes it violate the STATE law. By adding it to your permit you are registering in NYS. Two requirements if you are stopped. One are you an authorized person (Not Prohibited) which in NYS means do you have a permit; allowed to possess. Second is it registered in NYS which requires the county office to have it on file and added to your permit. If you skip that second step you are only at 50% legal in the eyes of the state.
Correct, and when writing I hadn't really considered out of State to NY Handgun shipments...I suspect no matter what the Federal Government passes, NY will reject it (insert National Reciprocity here) and do what the democrat controlled Legislature wants.
(NY) "If you want to live here, you've got to do exactly as we say or we're going to throw you in Jail....Constitution? what's that got to do with anything?"