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Midnight hammer was about as successful as it could be. It destroyed their enrichment facilities and probably set them back a couple years.

But, that's not "the program".

Nothing short of regime change can really "destroy the program" fully, because as long as they are working on a bomb, there is a program. Even if you killed every scientist and destroyed every piece of equipment, if they still have the will they will start again from scratch
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This is correct. The problem is, this cant be done by air alone. its going to require a real war on the ground. Thats where we part ways . I find it morally, ethically, financially wrong on every level , right now it looks like preparations are being made just for that

Honestly, I think Iran will acquire nuclear weapons by some means before any invasion can take place (roughly 1-2 years) I see it as a race to get an invasion force up and ready vs Iran obtaining a nuke and demonstrating it

Russia and China have a decision to make , allow the US take over Iran and the straights controlling the flow of oil , and the mid east fore the next 50 years plus , or supply Iran with the percusors to make nuclear weapons or the weapons themselves .

Pakistan has already offered Iran nuclear weapons . Personally I think its way to late , at this point its a fools errand . The only way Iran comes out of this , is by obtaining nuke s or die . They are backed into a corner , only one way out for them .
 
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holdover said:
This is correct. The problem is, this cant be done by air alone. its going to require a real war on the ground. Thats where we part ways . I find it morally, ethically, financially wrong on every level , right now it looks like preparations are being made just for that

Honestly, I think Iran will acquire nuclear weapons by some means before any invasion can take place (roughly 1-2 years) I see it as a race to get an invasion force up and ready vs Iran obtaining a nuke and demonstrating it

Russia and China have a decision to make , allow the US take over Iran and the straights controlling the flow of oil , and the mid east fore the next 50 years plus , or supply Iran with the percusors to make nuclear weapons or the weapons themselves .

Pakistan has already offered Iran nuclear weapons . Personally I think its way to late , at this point its a fools errand . The only way Iran comes out of this , is by obtaining nuke s or die . They are backed into a corner , only one way out for them .
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We could hold them off indefinitely, but it would take a fresh midnight hammer every 6 months to a year.

They would just wait it out until there is an administration that doesn't have the balls to do that.

They'd get another democrat to sent them a plane load of cash in exchange for pinky swearing not to build nukes, again. Then when the Isrealis show that they are building them anyway the democrats would accuse them of lying until Tel Aviv glows in the dark.

In theory you could destroy enriched uranium by mixing in enough depleted uranium to basically "un-enrich" it. This is easy in a factory setting, but not sure if a bomb could mix them well enough.

You are probably right about a "boots on the ground" approach being necessary to take it.

The alternative is to keep forcing regime changes until we get an Ayatolla who'd rather live than be a nuclear power. Seems to have worked in Venezuela.

Probably the best solution is to just keep destroying the IRGC until they end up with a power vacuum.
 
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Me thinks they will obtain ready to use weapons, If it looks like the west is amassing an army , somebody will most likely sell give them a few dozen
 
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holdover said:
Me thinks they will obtain ready to use weapons, If it looks like the west is amassing an army , somebody will most likely sell give them a few dozen
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That would be the end of whoever did it, and everyone knows that.

Nobody is going to give a nuclear weapon to anyone they even suspect might use it.

Knowledge, sure. Equipment to refine your own, sure. But never any actual nuclear material let alone a bomb.

Imagine what happens if Iran or one of their proxies detonated a Chinese or Pakistani nuke in one of their neighbors cities. That would be the end of the nuclear program for the source country, and possibly the whole country.

What would Russia do if we gave Ukraine a couple nukes and they used them ?
 
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spat said:
That would be the end of whoever did it, and everyone knows that.

Nobody is going to give a nuclear weapon to anyone they even suspect might use it.

Knowledge, sure. Equipment to refine your own, sure. But never any actual nuclear material let alone a bomb.

Imagine what happens if Iran or one of their proxies detonated a Chinese or Pakistani nuke in one of their neighbors cities. That would be the end of the nuclear program for the source country, and possibly the whole country.

What would Russia do if we gave Ukraine a couple nukes and they used them ?
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When South Africa was being dissolved they gave their nuclear (atomic) weapons to Israel.

Before that, nobody knew South Africa had atomic weapons.
 
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holdover said:
They need Iran neutralized. Not a ceasefire. They want them out of the picture . Since the US will aid and help fund it It makes sense to continue .
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That makes sense. They don’t want it to go on forever, but they want Iran gone. I don’t blame them and I honestly wouldn’t be sad if that happened either with their history. However, I did not get that from your post so thanks for clearing that up.
 
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spat said:
That would be the end of whoever did it, and everyone knows that.

Nobody is going to give a nuclear weapon to anyone they even suspect might use it.

Knowledge, sure. Equipment to refine your own, sure. But never any actual nuclear material let alone a bomb.

Imagine what happens if Iran or one of their proxies detonated a Chinese or Pakistani nuke in one of their neighbors cities. That would be the end of the nuclear program for the source country, and possibly the whole country.

What would Russia do if we gave Ukraine a couple nukes and they used them ?
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I disagree.
 
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Defilade said:
Yes. There you go! No denying it. Right out of the Horses mouth. 2 more weeks is all.

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The national average price for regular gasoline peaked at a record high of $5.016 per gallon on June 14, 2022, during Joe Biden's presidency


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Parzival said:
According to the google machine, your prices are a bit off, according to national averages…

Obama was as high as $4.98
Biden was was as high as $5.01
Trump is currently at $4.51
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Depends on where you look I guess. We will be happy to know Trump stated it will come way down.. lol
 
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JaguarJaguarGolf said:
When South Africa was being dissolved they gave their nuclear (atomic) weapons to Israel.

Before that, nobody knew South Africa had atomic weapons.
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Everybody knew. It was not a secret.

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The instant any nuclear weapon is detonated anywhere on earth it's exact location and characteristics are known.

The only way to have a secret nuclear program would be to somehow keep a major industry either enriching uranium or making plutonium secret. We're talking about an industry employing tens of thousands of people with massive facilities.

Then you need to *never* test your weapons and still trust that they will work.

When north korea conducted their first test, an *underground* test no less, we flew sampling planes close enough to fully characterize the isotope ratio so we could verify if it was their own or if they had material from anyone else.

There is no way to give someone nuclear material that they use in a bomb and not have everyone know exactly where it came from, right down to which mines the uranium came from and which facilities refined it.
 
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I don't see how we avoid more hostilies. Iran will refuse to bend the knee as long as the IRGC is in charge. It remains to be seen what the outcome of the china summit was but I didn't get the sense the Chinese were going to help us much.
 
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