Lockport traffic arrest turns man into felon.

[GOPerfect]

We have spoken many times both here and the old forum about knowing and understanding the laws of the land.

Knowing ones' Rights is only half the battle, in order to win the War, one must know the laws as well.

Hating laws that our Politicians pass does not make them go away, nor does it invalidate them. The guy that got arrested, either did not know the laws or he did not care about them.

Do everything you can to protect yourselves from the laws of the elected!

 

[Marine Cpl]

We have spoken many times both here and the old forum about knowing and understanding the laws of the land.

Knowing ones' Rights is only half the battle, in order to win the War, one must know the laws as well.

Hating laws that our Politicians pass does not make them go away, nor does it invalidate them. The guy that got arrested, either did not know the laws or he did not care about them.

Do everything you can to protect yourselves from the laws of the elected!

I can agree with that yet some say I'm bending over. These same people won't practice what they preach in front of a cop though.

 

[GOPerfect]

I can agree with that yet some say I'm bending over. These same people won't practice what they preach in front of a cop though.

Very true Will.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I would love to know all the details of the case. Clearly we've hearing this side of the story I'm sure more will come out.

None the less, two words:

Presidential Pardon!

Trump is all too familiar with NYs SnakeAct, he just might love the opportunity to stick it right up Andy's ass.

I'll be working on my draft letter.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Just do it. Screw the NRA and go right to the Whitehouse.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

From my e-mail:
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I hope this message gets people angry enough to contact their legislators. I sent the other message as a reminder of how screwed we are by the courts. Can you imagine being in this guy's situation and the crap going on in the courts?

Sent: 4/24/2017 10:43:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Fwd: BREAKING: Man faces 21 years in prison for SAFE Act violation!!!



Subject: BREAKING: Man faces 21 years in prison for SAFE Act violation!!!
Reply-To: xxxxxeditxxxxx

OK, LISTEN UP! I want you guys to SPREAD this news to everyone you know.

I KNOW this guy personally (not well -- an acquaintance). He is an Iraq combat vet, former Blackwater contractor, and licensed security guard.

He was working security at a bar and when he pulled out of the lot after closing time the cops pulled him over on "suspicion" of DWI. He was NOT DWI. he exercised his Fifth Amendment right and refused to tell them if he had anything to drink. The arrested him on suspicion, and inventoried his vehicle, where they found three post-ban 15 round mags in a locked safe in the truck. No warrant!

He REFUSED to take a plea bargain because he believed that SAFE is unconstitutional. He was acquitted of the bogus DWI charge in court and found guilty on all THREE magazine violations -- EACH is a Class D Felony worth SEVEN YEARS!

I am going to try to spread this far and wide and make a national story out of it... this is INSANE.


http://buffalonews.com/2017/04/23/niagara-falls-man-convicted-weapons-charges/

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As I was to understand search

Are you saying the charge of speeding was added after? Any charges made by a cop are at the time of arrest, and then the ADA can add any the cop missed while the arrest is being processed, that's it. Obviously those involved in charging this guy expected the DWI to stick, you post doesn't make sense to me.

"Simeon D. Mokhiber, 41, of Willow Avenue, was arrested April 18, 2016, in North Tonawanda, where police said they found the Glock magazines after pulling him over for driving while intoxicated and speeding."

Did you read it ?

 

[Airborneguy]

Yeah, those were the initial charges. That's my point. It wasn't "added on" to make the Glock mags good evidence.

 

[Jem45472]

Yeah like it or not the guy was in the wrong. It's just that this type of thing is what makes me nervous about traveling around with my ar's with unepoxied mag locks, or pinned mags. What's a jury going to think of that. Of course you can always take a plea like everyone else. Please sir, take my guns and my rights, just to keep me out of trouble or being a menace to society.

 

[GOPerfect]

Yeah like it or not the guy was in the wrong. It's just that this type of thing is what makes me nervous about traveling around with my ar's with unepoxied mag locks, or pinned mags. What's a jury going to think of that. Of course you can always take a plea like everyone else. Please sir, take my guns and my rights, just to keep me out of trouble or being a menace to society.

Travel to and from the range with the AR's broken down. Not really a firearm at that point.

 

[Jem45472]

Travel to and from the range with the AR's broken down. Not really a firearm at that point.

See the thing is I should legally be able to carry my loaded ar pistol with me without worry. Oh well I'm getting off track.

 

[Robin]

FUAC! The cop, and for that matter the jury and the DA too!
Robin

 

[Jmac00]

Regardless of how any of us feel about the laws of this great State, the laws are the laws. It was not necessarily a BS arrest. There is a thing called Implied Consent in NY as well as many States.

New York DWI/DUI: Refusal to Take a Blood, Breath or Urine Test | DrivingLaws.org

Just because someone is found not guilty of a crime in Court does not make it a bad arrest. I am not specifically talking about this case. I do not have all of the facts. Just talking in general, attempting to expand a bit of knowledge.

He made a few errors, it seems the officer made some as well.

I am hoping that the judge turns out to be a better guy than the jury was.

you mean like this POS city court judge

UPDATE: City Court Judge convicted of drunk driving returns to court today

on top of the "special privileges" of being a city Court judge has it's perks.....she got her license back. So if you have the money and need a good lawyer to get you off the hook, Hire Ed Fiandach

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...post-dwi-violations-stephen-aronson/99681124/

 

[Deplorable Me]

you mean like this POS city court judge

UPDATE: City Court Judge convicted of drunk driving returns to court today

on top of the "special privileges" of being a city Court judge has it's perks.....she got her license back. So if you have the money and need a good lawyer to get you off the hook, Hire Ed Fiandach

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...post-dwi-violations-stephen-aronson/99681124/

This country is 5 minutes away from anarchy some days.

 

[camper4lyfe]

you mean like this POS city court judge

UPDATE: City Court Judge convicted of drunk driving returns to court today

on top of the "special privileges" of being a city Court judge has it's perks.....she got her license back. So if you have the money and need a good lawyer to get you off the hook, Hire Ed Fiandach

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...post-dwi-violations-stephen-aronson/99681124/

She's violated her conditions of release on multiple occasions, yet still isn't behind bars. That whole story line pisses me off beyond belief.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Live by my law and you will be fine:

ONLY BREAK ONE LAW AT A TIME!

Clearly he failed.

 

[Chuck D]

Why arrests like this still surprise anyone is beyond me.

The mags he possessed were illegal. Why have them in the 1st place ? Why put them in the car? Why not answer the Officer's questions and perform a field sobriety test to show your not intox so your not arrested and then your car is subject to search upon arrest?

What the fuck are people thinking ?

Soviet era travel required you stop and show your papers upon request. If you did so, it pissed you off, violated your basic human rights, degraded you, but it also kept you from getting an ass beating on the way to the Gulag. It's called "self preservation" and there is nothing wrong with self preservation when your under duress.

If you live in NYS you live under the very same system as subjects of the former Soviet Union. You have to adopt survival tactics just as they did. If you don't...you'll eventually run afoul of the system. Those of you that think the Police are on YOUR side and will let you slide are sorely mistaken. They can't wait to screw you over and they have the power and support from YOUR elected officials regardless of party affiliation to do so.

Standing on principle will get him locked up....and after 6 months of incarceration the vast majority of us won't remember him or his "falling on a sword" to prove a point.

We don't live and grow here....we survive and survival is all that matters because in the long run NO ONE is coming to save us in our time of need.

Make stupid decisions...win stupid prizes.

 

[livingston]

LOL, so the laws are designed to disarm us one gun, one person at a time.....

yet the state loses 800K people every year due to over regulation and taxes.

In less than a decade, this state will no longer be known as "The Empire State", but rather "The Welfare, Sanctuary State" with no economic or fiscal legacy.

The Princes will be the American version of Chavez leading his people to economic ruin

I have been saying this for a long time . ....We understand it is a BS law... and how many folks have a high cap mag thrown in a drawer 20 years ago forgotten over time. Be interesting to see what this fellow gets... Many states it is a misdemeanor
Bill Text - SB-1446 Firearms: magazine capacity..

But as mentioned above pick one gun owner off at a time . ... We hardly ever get a law rolled back in this state.

 

[Deplorable Me]

In Ohio they'd call this Wednesday.

 

[Shadow2]

Was this a serious question? We are complaining because we are not slaves and government and Law are not the masters regardless how many people think they are. No. Matter how many people think the law is the law" ITS NOT! The law is not the law if a jury says it isn't or a judge says it isn't. Why do the Libs get what they want? Because they have judges and juries that actually back them.

Although NY sucks, Although the laws are incorrect and unjust, it seams he had magazine that are illegal in NY why are we complaining?

 

[spat]

Although NY sucks, Although the laws are incorrect and unjust, it seams he had magazine that are illegal in NY why are we complaining?

Because the crime NY committed by making them illegal is much more severe than the one he committed by having them ?

Actually, what he did is no crime at all, since any law in conflict with the Constitution is void.

What he did was the equivalent of not paying the mob their protection money. It can get you in a lot of trouble, and people with power will claim you are violating their rules, but morally and ethically you are in the clear.

 

[Shadow2]

Cops would never just pull a car over for no reason ....

 

[spat]

We have spoken many times both here and the old forum about knowing and understanding the laws of the land.

Knowing ones' Rights is only half the battle, in order to win the War, one must know the laws as well.

Hating laws that our Politicians pass does not make them go away, nor does it invalidate them. The guy that got arrested, either did not know the laws or he did not care about them.

Do everything you can to protect yourselves from the laws of the elected!

If you live in gangland it is not wise to wear the wrong color shirt.

The gang laws you are violating are just as valid as the unconstitutional ones Albany cooks up, but your life is ruined just the same either way.

 

[fartgamer]

We can't live with 10 rd mags, seriously? Is it worth a felony charge just because "the law is unconstitutional"?

Not to me........flame suit on.

 

[Jem45472]

We can't live with 10 rd mags, seriously? Is it worth a felony charge just because "the law is unconstitutional"?

Not to me........flame suit on.

Living with 10 round magazines sucks when the criminals have you outgunned.

Yes I carry my substandard low capacity, snowflake mags. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

If we all thought like that Cuomo would have us all down to single shots.

 

[Airborneguy]

Certain things cannot be ignored without risking too much, but absent an actual crime having been comitted, I cannot think of a scenario where I'd concern myself with the capacity of a magazine while on duty.

 

[Jem45472]

Certain things cannot be ignored without risking too much, but absent an actual crime having been comitted, I cannot think of a scenario where I'd concern myself with the capacity of a magazine while on duty.

Too bad all of you don't think like this. I bought a taurus 92 online and had to turn in 6 17 round mags. Grrr, now if that doesn't piss you off.

 

[Airborneguy]

It does. That's bullshit as we all know. I'd love to add that charge onto a perp who just shot someone in commission of a crime, but other than that, I literally couldn't care less.

I "cover" for a few guys at my range who have toys they don't feel comfortable bringing out always.

 

[Jem45472]

My other bedside gun. Would be perfect with the 32 round mag, but no, had to have it pinned at 10.

 

[spat]

Certain things cannot be ignored without risking too much, but absent an actual crime having been comitted, I cannot think of a scenario where I'd concern myself with the capacity of a magazine while on duty.

My understanding of that one court case, is that unless you are taking into custody you don't have cause to count rounds. Ithe seems to me then, if you aren't counting rounds, you should assume the mag is pinned or somehow otherwise reduced capacity, even if it looks normal....

The other thing I wonder about is what would give you cause to check the registration status of a normal rifle ? Is Cuomo willing to admit that less than half of the "AWs" in the state are registered ? If not, then just seeing a fully featured rifle isn't cause to assume it isn't registered, and since the owners of registered rifles aren't required to carry any proof, or even tell you one way or the other....

 

[Robin]

Amendment VIII. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Hey cumo you illiterate fuck!!! Who did you pay to sit through your constitution classes in law school, POS!
FUAC!
Robin