SCOTUS just fucked us!

[ArmedCorgi]

You know what? I think the pressure is building and we are going to see some fantastic jurisprudence from the court soon. The point that Thomas made in his dissent about how the court hasn't ruled on a 2A case since 2010 and in that time has ruled on 35 1A and 25 4A cases is disparaging. That the court has been derelict in its duty to treat all right enumerated in the Constitution with equal consideration hits the nail on the head and once the court leans more conservative, which it will, we will start to see these matters being put to rest and in our favor.

 

[Mosinitis]

What's wrong with Thomas and Gorsuch?

They are nothing more than a token 2nd amendment supporters, who will be always a minority, no matter how many justices appointed by the republicans.

 

[Mosinitis]

I remember the promises, if Bush is elected then Supreme Court "blah, blah, blah". Where is "blah, blah, blah"?
If you still believe them, you are either too young or too stupid.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I will never understand what goes on in SCOTUS.

 

[E the massive]

I will never understand what goes on in SCOTUS.

Thats easy. Slavery and how to bring it back nation wide.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

So, I'm disgusted by this. If they needed at least 4 to grant cert, and 5 to win, where does this leave us? What concerns me the most, is that if Roberts and Alito are supposedly pro 2A, why the hell would they NOT join Thomas and Gorsuch's dissent? Unless they disagreed with it?

Sure, there is a possibility that they knew that Kennedy might be a problem,, and if so, then OK, - they could be saving us from a horrible loss by refusing to grant cert. But what possible excuse could they have for not joining the dissent?

What I am left with then, is the belief that Roberts and Alito either do not fully support, or are against our 2A rights outside the home. And Kennedy, based on his other decisions, is completely unreliable when it comes to 2A rights.

So, as it stands, - gun rights are outgunned at SCOTUS 2-7. FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!

If Kennedy retires under President Trump, we might get to 3-6.
Then, if Ruth Buzzy croaks under Trump, we might get to 4-5

And then, unless either Roberts or Alito depart, or one or more of the court's liberal branch members also depart, we are still stuck.

We're a long damn way from even getting to a 5-4 pro 2A court...

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I remember the promises, if Bush is elected then Supreme Court "blah, blah, blah". Where is "blah, blah, blah"?
If you still believe them, you are either too young or too stupid.

I consider myself neither. In retrospect, why are you surprised by Bush? The Bush's are at the core of the establishment. Trump is another animal completely and as unpredictable as he's been with other things and as silent as he's been so far regarding the 2A, he is not establishment. I'm not worried yet that who he nominates next will only be a token supporter (which I don't think they will be), I'm worried about the number of appointments he'll get.

 

[Mosinitis]

It's Zero to Nine anti-gun. They are all members of the same traveling circus. They can stick their useless dissenting opinions up their ass. Who cares what they write if it's not for real.

 

[Mosinitis]

I consider myself neither. In retrospect, why are you surprised by Bush? The Bush's are at the core of the establishment. Trump is another animal completely and as unpredictable as he's been with other things and as silent as he's been so far regarding the 2A, he is not establishment. I'm not worried yet that who he nominates next will only be a token supporter (which I don't think they will be), I'm worried about the number of appointments he'll get.

Bush was sold to us as 100% pro-gun.
Trump is a wild card. Until he actually does something that has an effect, he didn't do anything.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

He is a wild card. Until he actually does something, he didn't do anything worth praising. At least not as far as 2nd amendment goes.

It's frustrating to say the least. The somewhat bright side is that no news is good news. He could already be reversing his stance and implementing more gun control by now, but he isn't. I'm not saying you are wrong. You make good points. I'm just not where you are yet with the Supreme Court. Maybe that's naive, IDK. I'm just trying to take into account this has been a presidency like no other and the level of discord and fake scandal BS and leftwing meltdowns is unprecedented and uncalled for. Yet it is what has been one of the things slowing Trump down from doing what he said he was going to. The unruly adult kindergarten that is our congress, is the other.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Bush was sold to us as 100% pro-gun.

I don't think you can really compare Bush to Trump though. It's been six months, you can't really compare Trump to anyone yet.

 

[Chuck D]

This should have been expected....

Here's where SCOTUS really stands on the 2nd Amendment.

First, you have an "individual" right to keep and bear arms.

Secondly, it's being left up to the States what they will allow you to own, under what circumstances you can own it, and where/how you can carry it.

If you own a firearm, ANY firearm, your rights are being granted. Government now has the "duty and responsibility" to restrict that right as it pertains to open/concealed carry, magazine capacity, firearm design (military/non-military design/use), and what precludes you from owning a firearm in the first place (mental health matters, substance abuse, criminal activity).

The above are reasons why SCOTUS hasn't taken a 2nd Amendment case of ANY value since Heller in 2010 which stated that ownership is an individual right.

Get it yet ?

NY, CA, Mass, NJ, Hawaii...... = screwed for all eternity. More States to follow.

 

[Burzum]

Roberts and Alito are not pro-gun. They are another shitty remnant of Dubbya's tenure.

EXACTLY, just like Dipstick W., Alito and Roberts seem to be too busy reading the bible and pleasuring themselves rather than reading the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution.

Alito and Roberts have always sucked they only help out the single-issue anti-abortion voters, they also like to toss the salad of multinational corporations against consumer rights.

 

[dwa12479]

Bush was sold to us as 100% pro-gun.
Trump is a wild card. Until he actually does something that has an effect, he didn't do anything.

Trump administration asks Supreme Court to reject 2nd Amendment claim by men who lost gun rights over nonviolent crimes

Well, here's something his administration is doing with the 2A. Not exactly what I want to see.

 

[prambo]

All FED.GOV agencies, courts, administrations, etc., are nothing but a big circle jerk without a pivot man.

Disband the circle jerkers - no more under the table hand-jobs.

 

[dwa12479]

Get it yet ?

NY, CA, Mass, NJ, Hawaii...... = screwed for all eternity. More States to follow.

Yes, NY, CA, NJ, MA and HI are pretty much lost causes. (Maryland and Delaware too)

But other states have actually been trending towards more gun rights in the past few decades.

 

[Chuck D]

Yes, NY, CA, NJ, MA and HI are pretty much lost causes. (Maryland and Delaware too)

But other states have actually been trending towards more gun rights in the past few decades.

Point taken....

Sooner or later the enemy will regain its foothold.

 

[GOPerfect]

Yes, NY, CA, NJ, MA and HI are pretty much lost causes. (Maryland and Delaware too)

But other states have actually been trending towards more gun rights in the past few decades.

I think it is awesome that you post this interactive picture.

It shows more than people think. The reason why NY gun laws are so bad is NOT because of SCOTUS! We have horrible gun laws because the residents and the citizens of NY are lazy, unmotivated and ignorant. We have horrible gun laws because the people of NY continue to elect the wrong people to represent them. The people of NY are not involved in NY politics.

It is easier to sit back, bitch and complain that SCOTUS or the President are not doing enough to help us.

The majority of people, including gun owners, do nothing in this State to better their position or to push what they want done!!!

 

[Marine Cpl]

I think it's delusional to think that states will fall little by little to shall issue to the point where blue states will follow suit.

 

[kev74]

Bush was sold to us as 100% pro-gun.
Trump is a wild card. Until he actually does something that has an effect, he didn't do anything.

Bush was not anything close to pro-gun. He would have continued Clinton's assault weapons ban if the bill made its way to his desk.

He also asked for and got the "Patriot Act" and introduced us to "free speech" zones, so to be fair, he trampled on all of our civil liberties not just the gun rights.

 

[Chuck D]

If you're a student of political history, you'd have to admit that the left/right sway in politics is ever changing. The pendulum swings right for a while, then left, then back again. As the demographics of a State change, so does its political climate.

Take a solid pro-gun State like Texas for example, how would you explain a deep red State like Texas having a deep blue major city like Austin in it ?

How long do you think it will take for Arizona to go from deep red to purple to blue ? Being on the border of California and having absorbed an influx of "liberal fruits and nuts" from next door, the possibility of flipping the State in 10 or so years in better than 50/50.

Speaking of California, Northern California will fall eventually as well based upon the State losing residents as a rate that will not allow for a conservative political base to regenerate itself.

How about Colorado? Can't get any more "American frontier" than Colorado and because of Denver, they now have a 15 round magazine capacity ban that survived the recall of 2 politicians and a judge.

Florida is at the tipping point and will remain so for years to come due to the influx of Northeast liberals looking to escape the snow belt. If the conservative population doesn't keep pace, Florida will eventually fall as well.

No area of this nation is safe. No where can we sit back and rest on our collective heels which is why what happens in NY, CA, NJ, Mass, and Hawaii is important to the rest of free America.[/QUOTE]

 

[kev74]

EXACTLY, just like Dipstick W., Alito and Roberts seem to be too busy reading the bible and pleasuring themselves rather than reading the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution.

Alito and Roberts have always sucked they only help out the single-issue anti-abortion voters, they also like to toss the salad of multinational corporations against consumer rights.

This man speaks the truth!

 

[Mosinitis]

Trump does something that counts first, gets credit and praises after. Why would anyone have a problem with that? He may end up being worse than Bush. YOU DON'T KNOW.

 

[Arjuna]

Justice Thomas Calls Out The Supreme Court For Not Believing In The Second Amendment

 

[Dr. Evil]

A bunch of freaking cowards.

 

[Mosinitis]

Justice Thomas Calls Out The Supreme Court For Not Believing In The Second Amendment

Bad cop, good cop routine. It's all bullshit.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Bad cop, good cop routine. It's all bullshit.

Although I would like to believe otherwise it is all too reminiscent of Schumer speaking out against the Iran deal, knowing damn well it was going to pass without his vote. Yeah, I'm that jaded due to the climate.

 

[Marine Cpl]

If you're a student of political history, you'd have to admit that the left/right sway in politics is ever changing. The pendulum swings right for a while, then left, then back again. As the demographics of a State change, so does its political climate.

Take a solid pro-gun State like Texas for example, how would you explain a deep red State like Texas having a deep blue major city like Austin in it ?

How long do you think it will take for Arizona to go from deep red to purple to blue ? Being on the border of California and having absorbed an influx of "liberal fruits and nuts" from next door, the possibility of flipping the State in 10 or so years in better than 50/50.

Speaking of California, Northern California will fall eventually as well based upon the State losing residents as a rate that will not allow for a conservative political base to regenerate itself.

How about Colorado? Can't get any more "American frontier" than Colorado and because of Denver, they now have a 15 round magazine capacity ban that survived the recall of 2 politicians and a judge.

Florida is at the tipping point and will remain so for years to come due to the influx of Northeast liberals looking to escape the snow belt. If the conservative population doesn't keep pace, Florida will eventually fall as well.

No area of this nation is safe. No where can we sit back and rest on our collective heels which is why what happens in NY, CA, NJ, Mass, and Hawaii is important to the rest of free America.

I agree hence my post.

 

[pjzwtl]

I think it is awesome that you post this interactive picture.

It shows more than people think. The reason why NY gun laws are so bad is NOT because of SCOTUS! We have horrible gun laws because the residents and the citizens of NY are lazy, unmotivated and ignorant. We have horrible gun laws because the people of NY continue to elect the wrong people to represent them. The people of NY are not involved in NY politics.

It is easier to sit back, bitch and complain that SCOTUS or the President are not doing enough to help us.

The majority of people, including gun owners, do nothing in this State to better their position or to push what they want done!!!

Shhh don't remind people of this truth it makes some cranky

 

[Snappo]

Does anyone actually understand what has been posted??

You know how some states are really restrictive with ownership? SAFE Act, Kalifornia Kommunism, etc? Well the SCOTUS was given the opportunity to overturn a lower decision that these restrictions were not a violation of 2A. SCOTUS said they didn't care to think about it.
Supreme Court Turns Down Case on Carrying Guns in Public