Need some help folks.- Pistol Permit questions

[Devildog9999]

So I am in the process of getting my CCW in NY, Niagara County. I have no arrests, no jail time, nada. I have been searching for hours but cannot find any real rules or regulations on what I can and cannot do in NY with a CCW. Can you guys school me on pistol permits in NY? How many rounds am I legally allowed to carry in my handgun? Do I have to get magazines pinned or modified to follow restrictions? What is considered "Concealed Carry"? I want to be sure that I don't get put at gunpoint by police in Walmart if someone happens to notice that I am carrying. Can I transport several pistols at once in locked cases with ammunition in the same vehicle? I understand the basics, but I want to be 100% sure that I am complying with the laws and do not lose my permit and have my handguns confiscated. I just turned in my application last week - so we have time (6-18 months) before I get my actual acceptance so I really want to know what I can and can't do in NY. This is not a troll thread - I want to hear from CCW permit holders, as well as those who know the laws and regulations. I don't want to start a debate - I am looking for facts so that I do not inadvertently break the law. The concealed carry course was a joke - it was 3 hours of essentially nonsense and common sense curriculum and did not really explain the laws and regulations. I appreciate any answers and feedback that you all have.

 

[Darth]

So I am in the process of getting my CCW in NY, Niagara County. I have no arrests, no jail time, nada. I have been searching for hours but cannot find any real rules or regulations on what I can and cannot do in NY with a CCW. Can you guys school me on pistol permits in NY? How many rounds am I legally allowed to carry in my handgun?

10+1

Do I have to get magazines pinned or modified to follow restrictions?

Only if they hold more than 10 rounds.

What is considered "Concealed Carry"? I want to be sure that I don't get put at gunpoint by police in Walmart if someone happens to notice that I am carrying.

Nobody should be able to see the gun.

Can I transport several pistols at once in locked cases with ammunition in the same vehicle?

Yes.

I understand the basics, but I want to be 100% sure that I am complying with the laws and do not lose my permit and have my handguns confiscated. I just turned in my application last week - so we have time (6-18 months) before I get my actual acceptance so I really want to know what I can and can't do in NY. This is not a troll thread - I want to hear from CCW permit holders, as well as those who know the laws and regulations. I don't want to start a debate - I am looking for facts so that I do not inadvertently break the law. The concealed carry course was a joke - it was 3 hours of essentially nonsense and common sense curriculum and did not really explain the laws and regulations. I appreciate any answers and feedback that you all have.

Feel free to ask more questions.

 

[cgrutt]

Agree with what @Darth said above.

Note however ammo ok in pistol or revolver within vehicle if carrying concealed. If transporting recommend separating ammo from guns shouldn't be in same case. Generally no loaded rifles or shotguns in vehicle (ammo and guns must be separated).

"Concealed means concealed" if somebody sees it it is not concealed.

PL 400 covers licensing
PL 265 covers definitions and penalties (note PL265 still says 7 rounds max but it is widely understood 10 is now acceptable)
IMO Article 35 Use of Force is most important and relevant for CCW holder. Read them.

Recommend additional training such as NY unrestricted carry from RPD or Basic Pistol 1 from MDTS when he's in your area (after you get permit)

 

[Robin]

A New York state of mind.
Robin

 

[Mk44]

So I am in the process of getting my CCW in NY, Niagara County. I have no arrests, no jail time, nada. I have been searching for hours but cannot find any real rules or regulations on what I can and cannot do in NY with a CCW.
Can you guys school me on pistol permits in NY? How many rounds am I legally allowed to carry in my handgun? Do I have to get magazines pinned or modified to follow restrictions?
What is considered "Concealed Carry"? I want to be sure that I don't get put at gunpoint by police in Walmart if someone happens to notice that I am carrying.
Can I transport several pistols at once in locked cases with ammunition in the same vehicle?
I understand the basics, but I want to be 100% sure that I am complying with the laws and do not lose my permit and have my handguns confiscated.
I just turned in my application last week - so we have time (6-18 months) before I get my actual acceptance so I really want to know what I can and can't do in NY. This is not a troll thread - I want to hear from CCW permit holders, as well as those who know the laws and regulations. I don't want to start a debate - I am looking for facts so that I do not inadvertently break the law. The concealed carry course was a joke - it was 3 hours of essentially nonsense and common sense curriculum and did not really explain the laws and regulations. I appreciate any answers and feedback that you all have.

I have been searching for hours but cannot find any real rules or regulations on what I can and cannot do in NY with a CCW. You can not CCW into a Federal/ Gov't building, School, NYC (all 5 boroughs) & where ever it's posted.
How many rounds am I legally allowed to carry in my handgun? 10 round magazine (+1 in the chamber).
Do I have to get magazines pinned or modified to follow restrictions? LGS will only sell you 10 rd mags.
What is considered "Concealed Carry"? Exactly what it said "conceal". Weapon must be hidden from view (under/ in your garment.) Can not be exposed for all to see.
Can I transport several pistols at once in locked cases with ammunition in the same vehicle? Yes (keep gun & ammo separate.)
I understand the basics, but I want to be 100% sure that I am complying with the laws and do not lose my permit and have my handguns confiscated. It wouldn't hurt to take a handgun safety/training course to understand the handling & CCW rules. ​

 

[Devildog9999]

Thanks for the information - I appreciate it. I am no stranger to handling handguns, but I finally decided to apply for my permit, and will 100% put in the time and training as well as range time. Is NY a state where we are required to tell a police officer that we are carrying concealed if we are stopped?

 

[Darth]

Thanks for the information - I appreciate it. I am no stranger to handling handguns, but I finally decided to apply for my permit, and will 100% put in the time and training as well as range time. Is NY a state where we are required to tell a police officer that we are carrying concealed if we are stopped?

No, it's a county specific thing. Check your rules packet that comes with your permit.

Here you only have to if asked. Don't tell otherwise.

 

[Devildog9999]

So I read through everything again, and there is literally almost no detail on anything for Niagara County. They are listed here: Pistol Permit Application Instructions and Other FAQ's

They really did a disservice to all of us in Niagara County - the details are really lacking.

 

[Darth]

So I read through everything again, and there is literally almost no detail on anything for Niagara County. They are listed here: Pistol Permit Application Instructions and Other FAQ's

They really did a disservice to all of us in Niagara County - the details are really lacking.

You will most likely get a rules packet when you get the permit.

 

[Devildog9999]

You will most likely get a rules packet when you get the permit.

THAT is good news - It is really appreciated. I am really surprised I cannot find anything, anywhere about it though. This process has been a serious pain in the ass - it is no wonder so many people don't bother. They make it as hard as possible to do. If even a single non black mark is on any of the 3 double sided only pages you are denied. It is just crazy.

 

[Podmonkey]

So I read through everything again, and there is literally almost no detail on anything for Niagara County. They are listed here: Pistol Permit Application Instructions and Other FAQ's

They really did a disservice to all of us in Niagara County - the details are really lacking.

Niagara county is the most gun friendly county in the state so...........
If gun laws in the state were left up the the counties in Niagara you'd prolly have full featured ARs, full capacity mags and NFA stuff.
They are already a defacto Shall Issue county.

 

[Devildog9999]

Niagara county is the most gun friendly county in the state so...........
If gun laws in the state were left up the the counties in Niagara you'd prolly have full featured ARs, full capacity mags and NFA stuff.
They are already a defacto Shall Issue county.

Really? I am surprised to hear that. I know a lot of guys who were denied just over stupid things like using blue ink, not having disposition letters, and even using references that have been arrested. I do appreciate the info!

 

[Podmonkey]

Really? I am surprised to hear that. I know a lot of guys who were denied just over stupid things like using blue ink, not having disposition letters, and even using references that have been arrested. I do appreciate the info!

That's the whole state. NYS is the most pathetically bureaucratic nightmare in the nation.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

I believe that having a loaded handgun (ammo in handgun) on your person while in a motor vehicle is legal if you have an 'Unrestricted' carry permit, illegal if you have a 'Sportsman' (target shooting and hunting) carry permit.

 

[cgrutt]

I believe that having a loaded handgun (ammo in handgun) on your person while in a motor vehicle is legal if you have an 'Unrestricted' carry permit, illegal if you have a 'Sportsman' (target shooting and hunting) carry permit.

Not illegal in the sense you'd be breaking any laws but you do risk losing your permit if judge finds out you're carrying outside of the "administrative restrictions" he's placed on your carry permit. There are only two types of permits under NY Law (PL400) "To have and possess" (aka Premise) and "To have and carry concealed" (aka CCW).

 

[Celt]

Good luck, but what a shame that it has to be so confusing. The only question should be "the 9mm or 357 today".

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Not illegal in the sense you'd be breaking any laws but you do risk losing your permit if judge finds out you're carrying outside of the "administrative restrictions" he's placed on your carry permit. There are only two types of permits under NY Law (PL400) "To have and possess" (aka Premise) and "To have and carry concealed" (aka CCW).

Yeh, is what I meant, about carrying outside the restrictions of your permit. They issue two types of Carry Concealed permits here in Oswego County, Unrestricted and Sportsman. I've never in my life seen a Premises permit.

 

[Saltwater60]

Really? I am surprised to hear that. I know a lot of guys who were denied just over stupid things like using blue ink, not having disposition letters, and even using references that have been arrested. I do appreciate the info!

They are very fun friendly not the most.
So the application says use black ink follow the directions.

You need a disposition of arrest they will not look it up for you. Again follow the directions.

If your references are criminals how can they be trusted to be a good reference. All of NYS is like that.

You can carry more than one pistol on you loaded too.
No pistols in federal buildings like court houses, no schools, no post office no NYC and no state parks technically. Concealed is concealed. Store signs like Starbucks no guns have no power of law, but if they notice and ask you to leave do so immediately or you can be arrested for trespassing.

 

[Devildog9999]

So, All of my paperwork is in, and being in Niagara County it is a concealed carry permit application, I am fingerprinted and now just have to wait. Does anyone from Niagara County know the average wait time to get one issued? I have already picked out and test fired my 1st Handgun - I have decided on a S&W M&P Shield 45, with an alienware IWB holster and a pretty decent belt. I have a bit of weight on me, so no appendix carry, but I will be able to pull off 4:00 OK with little to no printing with existing clothes.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

So, All of my paperwork is in, and being in Niagara County it is a concealed carry permit application, I am fingerprinted and now just have to wait. Does anyone from Niagara County know the average wait time to get one issued? I have already picked out and test fired my 1st Handgun - I have decided on a S&W M&P Shield 45, with an alienware IWB holster and a pretty decent belt. I have a bit of weight on me, so no appendix carry, but I will be able to pull off 4:00 OK with little to no printing with existing clothes.

When you turned your app in, the office personnel would have been likely to tell you how long you are looking at. I have friends in Niagara County who got theirs in the last year or two, and their wait was about 6-8 months. You'll find out when it shows up. When your references are contacted, you'll know it is getting closer.

As for the Shield, it is a favorite of mine as I carry the .45 in a pocket holster daily, or I sometimes carry twin 9mm Shields in a double shoulder rig when driving. But, given that you have plenty of time before you get your permit, if I were you, I would not settle on a gun pick so quickly, as there are plenty of very nice guns out there to consider.

Good luck!

 

[Devildog9999]

I have been around handguns all my life, and to be honest I don't know why I never got my permit until now - maybe just because it is such a pita, or sheer laziness. I have a best friend who has his FFL and get to shoot a ton of different weapons, and that Shield 45 just felt right the second I picked it up. Can't explain it but the Glock 26 didn't sit right in my hand, and the XDs just didn't feel good to me. Although they are super popular and suit a lot of people really well, that M&P Shield was just "the one" once I got my hands on it. I did ask the clerk at the Pistol Permit Office what the average turn around time was, and she said 4-12 months, which sounded like a canned answer. I figured I would ask here to see what the real wait time was.

 

[Devildog9999]

Update: 21 days after I turned in my paperwork and fingerprints, all 4 of my references got the letter on the same day and all 4 have mailed it back. Seems to me like this is really quick for this part of the process. I will let you all know how things go throughout the process.

 

[Devildog9999]

When I was in the Marine Corps I had a designation for TS clearance - do you think that has anything to do with the quick turn around thus far?

 

[Edwardteach72]

When I was in the Marine Corps I had a designation for TS clearance - do you think that has anything to do with the quick turn around thus far?

Nope, them mailing the stuff to the references is the easy part. It's when they get everything back they (as a rule of thumb, I know nothing about that county specifically) sit on it.

 

[libertysnake]

Nope, them mailing the stuff to the references is the easy part. It's when they get everything back they (as a rule of thumb, I know nothing about that county specifically) sit on it.

True, but if they bothered to even mail out letters then they're is probably not a specific reason to deny him at first glance. My guess is, like most places in NY, they sit on for at least a few months before issuing.

 

[Edwardteach72]

True, but if they bothered to even mail out letters then they're is probably not a specific reason to deny him at first glance. My guess is, like most places in NY, they sit on for at least a few months before issuing.

That's what I was saying. Most counties will do the whole process and drag everything out (get all the money) before they approve or deny.

Why deny someone after only getting the $20 application fee when you can wait for them to also pay the $100+ fingerprint fee as well (prices may vary)

 

[Devildog9999]

I am in Niagara County, and had to do the fingerprinting before they even began to process the application. And yeah, it was 100 bucks - but the county gets Zero Dollars of it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No, it's a county specific thing. Check your rules packet that comes with your permit.

Here you only have to if asked. Don't tell otherwise.

That county specific thing is just as not in the law as restricted licenses. There is case law that they aren't even supposed to ask you.

Cops Can't Just Ask Motorists About Guns: NY Court

FindLaw's Court of Appeals of New York case and opinions.

 

[Devildog9999]

I appreciate all of the feedback. I just want to CCW properly, and try to do the right thing. The county specific "rules" are not quote LAW unquote but can still get your permit yanked if you violate them. Niagara County is pretty relaxed from what I have been able to learn, but I regularly travel from Niagara to Allegheny county, so I just want to be aware of the rules and not make a noob mistake. I really do appreciate all of the knowledge spread around. It really does help.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Not sure how far you are willing to travel but these guys just listed on FB they will be doing a NY law class (more or less a class going over the basic can and cannots of NY and carrying)

thefiringpin