Hearing Protection Act

[FrankenCub]

Any of you guys been following this? Text - H.R.3799 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Hearing Protection Act of 2015
I'd like to think it would be great for this to pass now that Trump will be in office, but still, we're in NY and would probably still be shunned from owning such safety objects :-/
I wouldn't hesitate in owning a couple, would sure make my wife happy when I'm out back shooting or shooting at coyotes at 2AM. Would be nice to specify in the text that NY law makers can take a long walk off a short plank.

 

[SigLady]

the only gun laws i like are discarded ones (rare gems those.) I get squirrelly whenever they start writing new legislation pertaining to guns, no matter how inocuous.

 

[FrankenCub]

the only gun laws i like are discarded ones (rare gems those.) I get squirrelly whenever they start writing new legislation pertaining to guns, no matter how inocuous.

Good point. They could just take suppressors of the NFA list but then NY will still have a ban on them and I don't trust the courts for obvious reasons. If the new law says they will be classified like long guns, could that help us at all? Probably still pointless other than for those living outside the walls of liberalism.

 

[kev74]

The only way this would fly here would be if it was accompanied by the Eliminate New York City act.

 

[Uzi]

Well, I think another problem would rely on the whole "nonthreaded" barrel thing. Unless you can do something with a quick adapter and a set screw perhaps. For instance I have a barrel shroud that uses just a set screw and it works just fine for a rifle.

 

[FrankenCub]

Well, I think another problem would rely on the whole "nonthreaded" barrel thing. Unless you can do something with a quick adapter and a set screw perhaps. For instance I have a barrel shroud that uses just a set screw and it works just fine for a rifle.

Doesn't the threaded barrel part here only affect "AW's"? I was under the impression that threaded barrels on bolt guns was GTG. On that note, I have seen quick lock suppressors that would be GTG on an AR.

 

[Uzi]

Doesn't the threaded barrel part here only affect "AW's"? I was under the impression that threaded barrels on bolt guns was GTG. On that note, I have seen quick lock suppressors that would be GTG on an AR.

Good point. I guess I was thinking more on the federal level. Usage being made legal for any gun, and how that would be construed for NY gun laws.

 

[Celt]

We need national reciprocity before anything. This would force all states to have to recognize Heller and McDonald, and force all states to be shall issue. Not sue how it would effect nyc but we need to get rid of that bs home rule they have.

 

[Koz]

FUac.

 

[FrankenCub]

We need national reciprocity before anything. This would force all states to have to recognize Heller and McDonald, and force all states to be shall issue. Not sue how it would effect nyc but we need to get rid of that bs home rule they have.

I totally agree, the rest of our Constitution has no boundaries, the 2nd shouldn't either. Hopefully a bill will be drafted soon for this.
The HPA bill is already in the works so maybe I'll message Senator Akshar about it and see what he says. He's great about replying to messages and meeting people personally.

 

[Catskillkid]

Man. What I would do to be able to own suppressors. Would make my life far easier and more enjoyable.

 

[JosERW]

Right, this sucks in a way. We won't be able to enjoy any of these wins. We're still begging for the courts to give us back our AR15's and magazines. Then as soon as they find a way to do background checks for ammo we're screwed.

99% of the guns you would want suppressed are banned in NY anyway. You couldn't even suppress a handgun for f's sake.

 

[JosERW]

Could there be something in the bill forcing states to have to allow the ownership of suppressors?

 

[FrankenCub]

Here's the text of the bill for those who don't want to visit the link. After reading it 5 more times I guess I'm more confused about what it really means lol. I'm not lawyerly enough.

To provide that silencers be treated the same as long guns.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. Short title.

This Act may be cited as the “Hearing Protection Act of 2015”.

SEC. 2. Equal treatment of silencers and firearms.

Section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking “(7) any silencer” and all that follows through “; and (8)” and inserting “; and (7)”.

(b) Effective date.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—The amendment made by this section shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act.

(2) TRANSFERS.—In the case of the tax imposed by section 5811 of such Code, the amendment made by this section shall apply with respect to transfers after October 22, 2015.

SEC. 3. Treatment of certain silencers.

Section 5841 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following:

Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, shall be treated as meeting any registration and licensing requirements of the National Firearms Act (as in effect on the day before the date of the enactment of this subsection) with respect to such silencer.”.

SEC. 4. Preemption of certain State laws in relation to firearm silencers.

Section 927 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: “Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, a law of a State or a political subdivision of a State that, as a condition of lawfully making, transferring, using, possessing, or transporting a firearm silencer in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, imposes a tax on any such conduct, or a marking, recordkeeping or registration requirement with respect to the firearm silencer, shall have no force or effect.”.

So, in my stupidity it would read that states will be forced to view silencers the same as any other rifle or shotgun and as long as we can pass a background check, they can't deny the purchase or possession of them. Am I wrong?

 

[Saltwater60]

It will backfire in nys and we will only able to have guns with 10 lbs barrels to reduce noise and low velocity bullets.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I think this would be pretty straight forward in NY. If it's treated like a long gun then a silencer would be a device that goes on an "assault rifle" thereby making it an assault rifle. And as already mentioned if they were allowed what would you put it on? Bolt guns? SKS? Those wacky "ARs" that are questionable. In other states it would be Christmas since they are easy to build and by federal law you are allowed to build long guns for personal use.

 

[Acer-m14]

Here's the text of the bill for those who don't want to visit the link. After reading it 5 more times I guess I'm more confused about what it really means lol. I'm not lawyerly enough.



So, in my stupidity it would read that states will be forced to view silencers the same as any other rifle or shotgun and as long as we can pass a background check, they can't deny the purchase or possession of them. Am I wrong?

heller says i do believe i can go buy a pistol for home defense .. but not in NY .. i don't have a permit ...

 

[spat]

Good point. They could just take suppressors of the NFA list but then NY will still have a ban on them and I don't trust the courts for obvious reasons. If the new law says they will be classified like long guns, could that help us at all? Probably still pointless other than for those living outside the walls of liberalism.

Unless they add a preemption clause in the legislation.

Personally I'd like to see OSHA mandate suppressors for everyone who carrys for work, it's not like you can tell a cop to put in ear plugs before firing. That might drive home the fact that it is a safety issue, not an assassination tool. Plus, it would drive the cost down and the quality up. How long would it take for the major manufacturers to release a load of integrally suppressed duty guns viewing for the contracts ?

 

[JosERW]

If they can pass federal preemption for silencers, why not for "aws" and magazines?

 

[spat]

If they can pass federal preemption for silencers, why not for "aws" and magazines?

They absolutely can. The question is will they.

 

[Celt]

We will need to actively press legislators and the president to force all states and municipalities to recognize the Heller and McDonald decisions. Right now New York City, New York, and many other states do not as they are May issue. Heller and McDonald would force states to become shall issue.

 

[Rethin]

Could there be something in the bill forcing states to have to allow the ownership of suppressors?

The law as proposed only pre empts states from taxing suppressors. It does not pre empt bans.

 

[GOPerfect]

The Constitution does not and should not see borders. All States are the same in regards to our Rights.

All of this madness needs to stop. As for the OP, while I agree that this new bill seems like a good thing, it should have never been needed in the first place.

 

[FrankenCub]

The more I read the bill and the more I've read at other forums I'm kinda wishing I never seen it. I've wanted a suppressor for quite a while for night hunting and thought for a minute there that we serfs may have a shot at it. I'm not so optimistic any more. I can see the bill easily passing, but the PRNY will never let it see light here with their above the Constitution mentality. God I hate this fuckin state!

 

[GOPerfect]

The more I read the bill and the more I've read at other forums I'm kinda wishing I never seen it. I've wanted a suppressor for quite a while for night hunting and thought for a minute there that we serfs may have a shot at it. I'm not so optimistic any more. I can see the bill easily passing, but the PRNY will never let it see light here with their above the Constitution mentality. God I hate this fuckin state!

Seriously, do not sell what is happening short. By that I mean, The Trump administration has some serious plans. The individual States may see a lot of their power diminish in the next couple of years. Now is the time to take back our Constitution, the Constitution of the people; ALL THE PEOPLE!

 

[Acer-m14]

What i would love to see is for every bill the left want we get a gun freedom bill attached to it .. yes for both or they both die ... .. would make it very interesting hehehehe ...

 

[ProgSpear]

I see a market for 80% suppressors

 

[Phazer]

Doesn't the threaded barrel part here only affect "AW's"? I was under the impression that threaded barrels on bolt guns was GTG. On that note, I have seen quick lock suppressors that would be GTG on an AR.

But just having a threaded barrel on a semi-auto firearm turns it into an AW.

Bolt guns, be NY definition, cannot ever be AWs no matter how many evil features they have.

 

[FrankenCub]

I see a market for 80% suppressors

Don't need an 80%, you can build them right from the beginning using freeze plugs as baffles and buy threaded tubes from cheap up to $60 for titanium. And regardless what some people say about those home built being ineffective there are plenty of videos proving otherwise. Maybe not as effective as a $1000 suppressor, but still a huge difference over unsuppressed.

But just having a threaded barrel on a semi-auto firearm turns it into an AW.

Bolt guns, be NY definition, cannot ever be AWs no matter how many evil features they have.

Those twist lock adapters can be welded to the barrel just as a flash hider can and therefore no longer threaded.

 

[Phauxtoe]

I dont know if i would ever invest in suppressors, but it would be nice to have the option