Taking the election from Trump = civil war II?

[masterswimmer]

Hildabeast lost the election for a whole host of reasons. One of them being her arrogance that she had the win in the bag. She was complacent with her campaign stops.

We cannot be complacent either. We cannot be so arrogant to say it will never happen that 30 electorates won't flip. The snowflakes are making themselves heard. We need to reach out, nationwide, to all our representatives to make sure they know their next Senate or Congressional seat is one vote away from them collecting unemployment.

Be diligent or don't be surprised if the unthinkable happens.

 

[Marine Cpl]

1, 2, maybe even 10 and that's pushing it into impossible territory. But over 30, come on guys. We are smarter than that.

 

[masterswimmer]

1, 2, maybe even 10 and that's pushing it into impossible territory. But over 30, come on guys. We are smarter than that.

Ok.....

I'd just rather see our contingent proactive rather than reactive. Easier, SAFER for all, and keeps the status quo from the 11/8 voice of the people intact.

By reactive I mean that the electorate vote happens this year on Monday 12/19. The congressional vote to confirm the electoral vote happens early January. The congressional vote can override the electoral or not Do we really want to go down that road? IMO it's easier to let our voices be heard that the electorates jobs are in their constituents hands.

 

[spat]

Ok.....

I'd just rather see our contingent proactive rather than reactive. Easier, SAFER for all, and keeps the status quo from the 11/8 voice of the people intact.

By reactive I mean that the electorate vote happens this year on Monday 12/19. The congressional vote to confirm the electoral vote happens early January. The congressional vote can override the electoral or not Do we really want to go down that road? IMO it's easier to let our voices be heard that the electorates jobs are in their constituents hands.

I looked it up and found a surprising number of cases for faithless electors, some just sheer stupidity:

I don't believe there are any cases of an elector switching party, but there are a number of cases where they abstained. In that case it would have to be 70+ electors who abstained before it would threaten the results.

The most recent example of a faithless elector was a Democrat, voting in true snowflake style (utter clulessness)

1 – 2004 election: An anonymous Minnesota elector, pledged for Democrats John Kerry and John Edwards, cast his or her presidential vote for John Ewards [sic],[8] rather than Kerry, presumably by accident.[9] (All of Minnesota's electors cast their vice presidential ballots for John Edwards.) Minnesota's electors cast secret ballots, so unless one of the electors claims responsibility, it is unlikely the identity of the faithless elector will ever be known. As a result of this incident, Minnesota Statutes were amended to provide for public balloting of the electors' votes and invalidation of a vote cast for someone other than the candidate to whom the elector is pledged.[5]

There are cases of open rebellion against the candidate chosen by the people of a state, the most glaring example would be 1836 in VA

During the 1836 election, Virginia's entire 23-man electoral delegation faithlessly abstained[1] from voting for victorious Democratic Party Vice Presidential Candidate Richard Mentor Johnson[2] due to Johnson's openly admitted, publicized, long-term interracial relationship with his slave, Julia Chinn.

On 22 occasions, 179 electors have not cast their votes for President or Vice President as prescribed by the legislature of the state they represented. Of those, 71 electors changed their votes because the candidate to whom they were pledged died before the electoral ballot (1872, 1912). Two electors chose to abstain from voting for any candidate (1812, 2000).[2] The remaining 106 were changed by the elector's personal interest, or perhaps by accident. Usually, the faithless electors act alone. An exception was the 1836 election, in which all 23 Virginia electors acted together.

The 1836 election was the only occasion when faithless electors altered the outcome of the electoral college vote. The Democrat ticket won states with 170 of the 294 electoral votes, but the 23 Virginia electors abstained in the vote for Vice President, so the Democrat candidate, Richard Mentor Johnson, got only 147 (exactly half), and was not elected. However, Johnson was elected Vice President by the U.S. Senate.

Faithless elector - Wikipedia

 

[masterswimmer]

I looked it up and found a surprising number of cases for faithless electors, some just sheer stupidity:

I don't believe there are any cases of an elector switching party, but there are a number of cases where they abstained. In that case it would have to be 70+ electors who abstained before it would threaten the results.

The most recent example of a faithless elector was a Democrat, voting in true snowflake style (utter clulessness)



There are cases of open rebellion against the candidate chosen by the people of a state, the most glaring example would be 1836 in VA





Faithless elector - Wikipedia

I totally understand the magnitude of the required 'defection' of the electorate. My entire premise is built on the Hildabeast being so arrogant and cocky that she thought there was no way for her to lose the election. Some of her campaign staff popped the champagne corks mid afternoon in anticipation of her unquestionable win. I don't want to assume the same arrogance the beast did. There is such an incredible amount of whining, screaming, protesting, entitled snowflakes making noise that I'd hate to see the impossible happen.

Are the odds in favor of an electorate reversal? Hell no! But CAN it happen? As remote as it seems, it is possible.

 

[spat]

I totally understand the magnitude of the required 'defection' of the electorate. My entire premise is built on the Hildabeast being so arrogant and cocky that she thought there was no way for her to lose the election. Some of her campaign staff popped the champagne corks mid afternoon in anticipation of her unquestionable win. I don't want to assume the same arrogance the beast did. There is such an incredible amount of whining, screaming, protesting, entitled snowflakes making noise that I'd hate to see the impossible happen.

Are the odds in favor of an electorate reversal? Hell no! But CAN it happen? As remote as it seems, it is possible.

If it happens, then its the end of the Republic, as much as fort Sumpter was the end of its first iteration.

It's just that simple. There is no fighting it at this point, its either the calm before the storm, or a nonevent, just wait and see.

If we really are so far down the rabbit hole that this is an actual possiblility, then managing to avoid it is a minor postponement of the inevitable. Might as well get it over with the that point.

I think there is still hope for us, which means there is no chance this election would be overturned. If I am wrong, then it doesn't matter if you manage to avoid it, the fact that it was possible to begin with means we are doomed.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This is the only thing I'm worried about with electors switching votes. I hope it doesn't happen but a trail of dead people who have gotten in the Clinton's way before would disagree, if they were still alive of course.

Electoral College voters ‘deluged’ with death threats

 

[SigLady]

This is the only thing I'm worried about with electors switching votes. I hope it doesn't happen but a trail of dead people who have gotten in the Clinton's way before would disagree, if they were still alive of course.

Electoral College voters ‘deluged’ with death threats

When people are serious, they tend not to threaten beforehand. The Clintons never did.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

@Drinkthekoolaid Thanks for that. Between that and Alex Jones's radio show that I caught today, I'll be sleeping under my bed tonight. Jeezum Crow

Here is an update on the E-6B over Denver

Navy identifies mystery plane over Denver; Its mission still a secret

 

[SigLady]

Here is an update on the E-6B over Denver

Navy identifies mystery plane over Denver; Its mission still a secret

Not too "covert" of them for a covert mission, eh?

 

[Pandemic]

Its getting to look like more of a possibility and with every new story these assholes feel more empowered and momentum continues to build. Now the beast is back in the news advocating recounts. When will this end?

I thought I'd be glad when the election was done but no it just keeps going. W t f

 

[Phazer]

Yeah...made me think of this:


Does happen..

I appreciate the sentiment. And I agree. But......(just for accuracy of this "recorded" event):

 

[Phauxtoe]

these people are Kooks!

 

[Snappo]

If they steal this from Trump and give this to Killery; I will bear arms. I assume so will tens of thousands of others. He won fair and square and if a civil war needs to occur to settle this; then so be it. We all have to die someday. Might as well be next January and for a good reason that protects our children's children.

 

[FRANKIE]

Never happen and they know it themselves.
There just doing the "Entitlement thing"

 

[Foxtrapper]

I appreciate the sentiment. And I agree. But......(just for accuracy of this "recorded" event):

I liked it better when it was "real"..

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This guy thinks the country is already so politically divided that another civil war is all but a certainty

The Real Reasons Why Another American Civil War Is Possible

 

[Nevar]

Some of the morons on the left are dreaming. Yet the few with any brains would not support it. Why While there would not be an all out Civil War, the shit would hit the fan big time. Old Glory would have two sisters flying next to her
Gadsden Flag and
Battle Flag

 

[DoD1776]

Sure as hell can tell you one thing; Liberals cry if they shoot a gun, they may have a tear revolution but we got guns, go ahead and start a civil war with patriots, make my day.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Some of the morons on the left are dreaming. Yet the few with any brains would not support it. Why While there would not be an all out Civil War, the shit would hit the fan big time. Old Glory would have two sisters flying next to her
Gadsden Flag and
Battle Flag

Might as well throw the naval jack and jolly Roger on that list

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This is my very pessimistic viewpoint. I think we're as a country heading towards some sort of civil war, revolution, mutual breakup or ugly divorce.

This election cycle confirmed my beliefs. This country is so philosophically divided at the most basic levels.

A country needs a national identity and shared common goals and ideals that we collectively value and work towards. Today as a country we have none of this.

Now America is no longer seen as a "melting pot" where we all adopt similar goals and ideals. Instead the progressives want us to be a salad where we all are separate pieces of lettuce, tomato or croutons. If you doubt me look it up. While your at it look up the concepts of cultural appropriation and micro aggressions. You can't make this stuff up.

Half the country wants personal freedoms and limited government, the other half wants big government, and the government to provide for them and wipe their ass.

Its not even Democrat vs Republican any more. Its becoming socialist/communist/globalist vs nationalist. Many wars have been fought in similar conditions over less.

Half the democrats wanted Bernie sanders!!! He's unapologetically a frigging communist!!

Half the country wants gun rights. The other half is against it and wants to eliminate and control what they can't eliminate.

I could go on and on making coparisons but it would just take too long.

In my honest opinion our country has become too big and to diverse to "rule" as our country is set up being a constitutional republic. Something is going to have to give. 10, 20 years or another generation, or a few political election cycles down the road our political disagreements will be even larger irreconsilable differences.

 

[Foxtrapper]

This is my very pessimistic viewpoint. I think we're as a country heading towards some sort of civil war, revolution, mutual breakup or ugly divorce.

This election cycle confirmed my beliefs. This country is so philosophically divided at the most basic levels.

A country needs a national identity and shared common goals and ideals that we collectively value and work towards. Today as a country we have none of this.

Now America is no longer seen as a "melting pot" where we all adopt similar goals and ideals. Instead the progressives want us to be a salad where we all are separate pieces of lettuce, tomato or croutons. If you doubt me look it up. While your at it look up the concepts of cultural appropriation and micro aggressions. You can't make this stuff up.

Half the country wants personal freedoms and limited government, the other half wants big government, and the government to provide for them and wipe their ass.

Its not even Democrat vs Republican any more. Its becoming socialist/communist/globalist vs nationalist. Many wars have been fought in similar conditions over less.

Half the democrats wanted Bernie sanders!!! He's unapologetically a frigging communist!!

Half the country wants gun rights. The other half is against it and wants to eliminate and control what they can't eliminate.

I could go on and on making coparisons but it would just take too long.

In my honest opinion our country has become too big and to diverse to "rule" as our country is set up being a constitutional republic. Something is going to have to give. 10, 20 years or another generation, or a few political election cycles down the road our political disagreements will be even larger irreconsilable differences.

Maybe, but we have larger problems and that is our debt and our econmey...I think both will tear us apart before our differences will. But that's just my .02 cent's worth..

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Maybe, but we have larger problems and that is our debt and our econmey...I think both will tear us apart before our differences will. But that's just my .02 cent's worth..

Our debt is being driven in part because of our differences.

Many of us want to be self sufficient. The others, feel that the government needs to provide everything they may need and if you disagree your a hateful racist. The politicians encourage it. The more people dependent upon the gvt. The moreliky they are to be re elected. Who will go against Santa Claus? The politicians are whoring out our future for their careers. Half the country knows it the other Half doesn't care.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Not happening. Odds of that would be less likely than darth and I being respectful to each other on this site and for me not to have him on ignore . Wait... never mind.

 

[GOPerfect]

This crap that I hear that we are more divided more now than ever is pure crap.

We have been divided ever since I can remember. This is nothing new. Division has been around since the founding of our nation. The issues may be different from yesteryear, but being split as a nation? Nah, same old hat!

Remember the Anti-Federalist vs. Federalist?

 

[Snappo]

If the country does divide, what happens to conservatives that own land in what ends up being libtardville? The land division would be ugly. Plus agriculture, all the nukes, and most of the manufacturing are in conservative states. Libtardville will end up with the inner city recidivists and welfare whores and won't have the money or food to take care of that situation. Then we will have to build a second wall. Or make a rule that when libtards show up in Trumpland; they become indentured servants.

 

[GOPerfect]

My god man, nothing is going to get split. There will be no civil war over ideas.

Americans are too lazy to really do anything!

 

[Snappo]

My god man, nothing is going to get split. There will be no civil war over ideas.

Americans are too lazy to really do anything!

Civil wars typically end up in a split of some sort. Sudan is a very recent example. And had Jefferson Davis won; there would be the Confederate States of America right now. So if you are in NY and NY becomes part of Libtardville, and you have to move to North Carolina (in Trumpland) to get beyond the border between the 2 countries; what happens if none of the recidivist welfare libtards can afford to buy your place in Libtardville? Iraq and Afghanistan prove that not ALL Americans are lazy. Some people get out of the easy recliner and get shit done. You take away 2A; and there will be a shit ton of those folks taking up arms and there will be a true civil war.

 

[GOPerfect]

Civil wars typically end up in a split of some sort. Sudan is a very recent example. And had Jefferson Davis won; there would be the Confederate States of America right now. So if you are in NY and NY becomes part of Libtardville, and you have to move to North Carolina (in Trumpland) to get beyond the border between the 2 countries; what happens if none of the recidivist welfare libtards can afford to buy your place in Libtardville? Iraq and Afghanistan prove that not ALL Americans are lazy. Some people get out of the easy recliner and get shit done. You take away 2A; and there will be a shit ton of those folks taking up arms and there will be a true civil war.

So, you really think that a large portion of Americans are really going to take up arms against the Government and /or other Americans?

They took away tons of 2A liberties in NY and Conn and Calif and.... And the majority of gun owners did NOTHING!

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This crap that I hear that we are more divided more now than ever is pure crap.

We have been divided ever since I can remember. This is nothing new. Division has been around since the founding of our nation. The issues may be different from yesteryear, but being split as a nation? Nah, same old hat!

Remember the Anti-Federalist vs. Federalist?

I hope your right because civil war isn't good for anyone.

But most of those disagreements were in relation to how the union should be established, set up, governed and what rules apply. All those very important structural and formative details have long since been hashed out.

Today as a country we can't decide who we should be anymore. Half wants to become a European wannabe big government socialist state where the constitution is viewed as an old piece of paper, a relic that needs to evolve.

The other half. Is pretty much the exact opposite.

In my opinion our population is becoming so diverse with so many competing goals and ideals that we are approaching the point of needing a divorce.

Look at the crap soros has been pulling he literally has a generation of millenials and government dependents into cop hating, social justice warring, anti America mobs and he isn't in prison but is increasing his pull and clout.

The progressive commies and media who supported Hillary and sanders ideas just got beat and they are extremely butt hurt over it. Thats all we're going to hear The next 4 years is their angry butt hurt rhetoric. They aren't going to just go away. They Wil not abandon their ideology. They will double down on the commie, the hate, the control and the big government and they will use the biased media to spew their crap. They will go off and fester like an untreated yeast infection and at every opportunity will espouse the failures of trump (whether real or artificially construed) and how capitalism, conservative ideas and nationalism are wrong and that the progresive ideas are better. Just wait for the next election cycle when trump is up for re election. Its going to be ugly.

I hope California does, calexit. I think it may save the country in the long run. It would give all the progressives a place they can move to for their European PC socialist utopia