Looks like schools are trying to get the ability to red flag people through their kids.
NY schools first to have ‘red flag’ petition power on guns
NY schools first to have ‘red flag’ petition power on guns
NY schools first for red flag ability
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96coal449
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I'll say it again, ban the kids from public ed. Solves so many issues.
libertysnake
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To be fair, the requirement is that the parent securely stores the firearms if the child is deemed to be a risk.
Honestly, if someone isn't storing their firearms securely around their kids or other household members, then they aren't being responsible anyway. I don't see how this is going to have a big effect on the majority of owners. (Not that I personally want the government ever telling me what to do, period.)
I agree, but wouldn't want anyone in the "public" school system having any such "power or authority".
As a rule (there are exceptions), they are neither intelligent nor do they possess common sense. Most are leftists and minions of the state.
These are the same people who recommend your normal kid take Ritalin or other drugs, for which they have neither the background nor training. They just don't want the hassle of a normal child's activity level - so they "invented" ADD and ADHD, which don't exist - and that isn't "IMHO". This is mainly directly pointed at young active boys by FemiNazi schoolteachers. This is why there are so many FUBAR kids in the fUSA.
Sorry, they can go pound sand.
oc shooter
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is there any consequence if there wrong? what makes them qualified to make this judgement
Current Ny law is if there is someone 16 or under in the house the guns already need to be secured
S&W Fan
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Exactly this ^^^
My wife and I watched this Crap start while putting our three children through school back in the early nineties. We and other like minded parents fought the school system and the PTA over suggesting that our children be put on these psychotropic drugs at such an early age.
Drugs that they had absolutely no long term studies on. What’s happening today with so many fucked up young adults , some 30 years later is a direct result of the blatant misuse of these psychotropic drugs on young children . All in the name of some suede medical psycho babble science.
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S&W Fan
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I know quite a few teachers , older and new and except for a very few , I wouldn’t let them babysit my dog let alone give them red flag power
I really dislike the media...and "studies" and most statistics.
The article says that studies show that in some states these Red Flag laws have saved "hundreds" of lives.
I guess these studies assume that if the guns were not removed, everyone in the home would have been killed.
So, if a family member turns in the dad of a family of 9, an incredible 9 lives were just saved.
In fact, we will never know if one life is saved. The punishment comes before the crime.
The article says that studies show that in some states these Red Flag laws have saved "hundreds" of lives.
I guess these studies assume that if the guns were not removed, everyone in the home would have been killed.
So, if a family member turns in the dad of a family of 9, an incredible 9 lives were just saved.
In fact, we will never know if one life is saved. The punishment comes before the crime.
Minority Report was supposed to be entertainment, not a government model.
Also interesting how that state this could have prevented the Parkland shooting... even tho the manuscripts of when the FBI was alerted about the shooter demonstrate both local and federal law enforcement were already aware of his troubled nature. But because both agencies failed at their responsibilities, instead of firing them and hiring more qualified candidates, we need more laws.
Mr. terzmo
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Another incentive for birth control
E the massive
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Fine. Then task school administrators and teachers with compliance checks and confiscation.
livingston
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Look at that fellow in Webster NY that shot the first responders ...
Pushed his grandmother down the stairs and beat her in the head with a hammer like over 50 times .... Does a few years and he is let loose to kill again ... NO outcry over the system that turned him loose ... just the AR-15 used is very bad... Talk about .. failed at their responsibilities
Celt
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They already do according to the new red flag law in NY.
SCHOOL OFFICIALS, THE POLICE AND FAMILY MEMBERS ALL have the ability to red flag someone.
Jsmegs77
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I fully expect this will be exclusively applied to middle to upper class white people. After all, Ralphie who lives south of the tracks with a dope slinging dad couldn't possibly ever encounter an unsafely stored weapon. In addition, expect it to be used as a club by administrators if you start making a pest of yourself (in other words, caring about your kid's education and not taking their bullshit at face value). While there are many good teachers, those in administrative positions tend to get there because they enjoy feeling as if they have authority. This is very much a bridge too far, considering the shit they can inflict with the whole mandated reporter/CPS angle, leaving their target in a position of preconceived guilt.
ProgSpear
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"Supporters of the law say educators are uniquely suited to pick up on the kind of troubling behavior seen before school shootings, like the 2018 attack in Parkland, Florida, in which an expelled student killed 17 people at his former high school."
Yep. Those parkland "educators" certainly did a stellar job of picking up.
Yep. Those parkland "educators" certainly did a stellar job of picking up.
Bullshit. Attitudes like that made my life a lot more difficult than necessary.
Saltwater60
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Here is what is don’t understand if it’s a law for me to have my guns stored safely away from my kids be use they are under 16 how can they take my guns thinking my kids might have access to them?
spat
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So, who gets to come and inspect your storage ?
Also, when I was growing up all the guns sat in nice wood rack with no door, let alone a lock.
Except the ones we used a lot, and they sat in a corner by the back door.
Knew not to touch them without an adult.
ProgSpear
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Exactly. Dad made it extremely clear what the consequences would be. He was far more effective at getting the point across than government bureaucrats.
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repete
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I see what you mean and agree to a small point, but! You do benefit from other peoples children getting an education. They are the ones that will be paying for your Medicaid and SS benefit checks. So the better educated they are the more they will make and the more they will pay in taxes.
Mr. terzmo
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YEPPER...if there was consequences for someone blown in for no reason, the Schools would not handle it at all. The schools are making teachers/employees junior psychiatrists and that is dangerous
@thewheels
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@thewheels
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Right... keep those ponzi schemes afloat somehow
It wouldn't matter if everyone in the US made 500k a year. The fuckers in Albany and DC would still outspend their tax base. They can't help themselves.
This is exactly what these red flag laws are aimed at, rural America.
Follow this logic......
There are generally more guns in rural areas. Also, parents in rural areas are mostly Repub/Conservative and believe in responsibility, self control and following rules. So they leave guns unlocked. Many if not most rural parents will not hesitate to spank their children when needed.
Now, mix all those things together.....
Alot of guns whos owners trust their well behaved kids with unlocked guns and physically strike their kids.
Kid tells a teacher, " I touched daddy's shotgun and he smacked me."
To us that sounds like the proper punishment, but to a teacher thats a red flag.
City folk will never understand us country folk.
And the funny thing is, its the city folks kids doing all the killing.