Wanted man was already in jail when agents raided his former home and shot woman inside

GOYABEAN · Dec 23, 2019

Early Xmas present brought to you by the Alabama Sheriff's department task force :violin:

kev74 · Dec 23, 2019

If the guy responsible for planning that raid were to come to NY, he could bring his standard capacity magazines with him.

fresch · Dec 23, 2019

This is my left hand, no wait!, this is my left hand!, aaah why oh why is this sooo difficult!?

repete · Dec 23, 2019

. We have narrowed it down to one of two things."

He said one cause could be that investigators did not run one final check before sending teams out to make the arrest. The second cause could be a problem where a computer system did not communicate that the warrants were no longer active.

He added, "If she would not have pointed a gun at the agents they would have determined all that on the scene and would have bid her a good day and thank you very much."

Yeah and you asshats shouldn't even have been there! The bad guy was already in jail and the warrants expired, so that means you went into a house without a warrant and shot the home owner! Pretty simple when it gets boiled down.

Bananabandit · Dec 23, 2019

They were only there to help.

Robin · Dec 23, 2019

It's on them.
Robin

S&W Fan · Dec 23, 2019

Hopefully she is going to be a very rich young lady in the near future.

Kwalsh · Dec 23, 2019

Imagine winning the lottery just by sitting on the couch!!!

@thewheels · Dec 23, 2019

S&W Fan said:
Hopefully she is going to be a very rich young lady in the near future.

I'd be shocked to see the courts not backing the shooters but rich and crippled = Still crippled

spat · Dec 23, 2019

repete said:
. We have narrowed it down to one of two things."

He said one cause could be that investigators did not run one final check before sending teams out to make the arrest. The second cause could be a problem where a computer system did not communicate that the warrants were no longer active.

He added, "If she would not have pointed a gun at the agents they would have determined all that on the scene and would have bid her a good day and thank you very much."

Yeah and you asshats shouldn't even have been there! The bad guy was already in jail and the warrants expired, so that means you went into a house without a warrant and shot the home owner! Pretty simple when it gets boiled down.

So, the headline should read "home invasion and attempted kidnapping leaves innocent victim in hospital".

Acer-m14 · Dec 24, 2019

investigators were looking to arrest was already in jail when a task force raided his former home in Wilmer on Thursday morning.

what time did the door get breached .. 4am , 5am , 9am 11am .. WTF ..

Shadow2 · Dec 26, 2019

She has a right to defend her home from armed invasion with that shot gun. Every LEO their should be put in jail, They had no lawful right to be their. Girl had no duty to surrender her firearm, she was in her home and perpetrated no crime.

subsonic · Dec 27, 2019

Shadow2 said:
She has a right to defend her home from armed invasion with that shot gun. Every LEO their should be put in jail, They had no lawful right to be their. Girl had no duty to surrender her firearm, she was in her home and perpetrated no crime.

If they were lawfully serving a lawful warrant, then they had a right to be there. Mistakes happen, and cops have immunity for a reason when they aren't acting outside the law. If a uniformed cop with a warrant is telling you to drop your weapon you should drop your weapon. The place to fight the cops is in court, preferably without getting shot if at all possible.

Apeman · Dec 27, 2019

subsonic said:
If they were lawfully serving a lawful warrant, then they had a right to be there. Mistakes happen, and cops have immunity for a reason when they aren't acting outside the law. If a uniformed cop with a warrant is telling you to drop your weapon you should drop your weapon. The place to fight the cops is in court, preferably without getting shot if at all possible.

Yes if they had a warrant they were legal.

Unfortunately along with the guy they wanted already in jail they had the wrong address. That's on the police. What we'll never know for sure is if they had a no knock warrant and if they identified themselves. The truth will be hidden. Even if they had a no knock warrant if they don't say it's the police when they come through the door they are fair game if you feel threatened. How do you know it's not a group of robbers?

subsonic · Dec 27, 2019

Apeman said:
Yes if they had a warrant they were legal.

Unfortunately along with the guy they wanted already in jail they had the wrong address. That's on the police. What we'll never know for sure is if they had a no knock warrant and if they identified themselves. The truth will be hidden. Even if they had a no knock warrant if they don't say it's the police when they come through the door they are fair game if you feel threatened. How do you know it's not a group of robbers?

The nephew, who was there and outside with others, has already stated that multiple uniformed and armed police in police cars swarmed the house and ordered them to put their hands up while they served the warrant. The police said they ordered her multiple times over seconds to drop her weapon before she aimed her gun at an officer. She is in stable condition and if she doesn't have amnesia she can tell her side of the story. Clearly someone on the government side screwed up royally in raiding the wrong house 15 hours after the perp was arrested, but "didn't do nothing" isn't carte blanche to shoot at uniformed officers serving a warrant.

It's not like worse mistakes don't happen in law enforcement. The perp had lived there before and these were his relatives. Possibly another agency had taken custody and failed to ensure that the warrant was cleared, so it's jumping to conclusions to even assume that the it was the responsibility of the cops serving the warrant or their command's fault that they were there.

Apeman · Dec 27, 2019

I'm not anti cop but someone screwed up. From what department we don't know yet. If they really did identify themselves then yes she should've dropped the gun. I've never been in that situation before but I imagine having your door kicked in while you're minding your own business is pretty scary and I'm sure you're not really focusing on what's being said as people rush in.

To say "It's not like worse mistakes don't happen in law enforcement" is not comforting though because innocent homeowners have been killed when the wrong door was kicked in.

spat · Dec 27, 2019

subsonic said:
The nephew, who was there and outside with others, has already stated that multiple uniformed and armed police in police cars swarmed the house and ordered them to put their hands up while they served the warrant. The police said they ordered her multiple times over seconds to drop her weapon before she aimed her gun at an officer. She is in stable condition and if she doesn't have amnesia she can tell her side of the story. Clearly someone on the government side screwed up royally in raiding the wrong house 15 hours after the perp was arrested, but "didn't do nothing" isn't carte blanche to shoot at uniformed officers serving a warrant.

It's not like worse mistakes don't happen in law enforcement. The perp had lived there before and these were his relatives. Possibly another agency had taken custody and failed to ensure that the warrant was cleared, so it's jumping to conclusions to even assume that the it was the responsibility of the cops serving the warrant or their command's fault that they were there.

If police can be excused for shooting a guy reaching for his wallet because they "feared for their life", surely a homeowner staring down the barrel of a loaded shotgun was also in fear for their life.

Shadow2 · Dec 27, 2019

We can agree to disagree but any warrant drafted with such gross errors should have zero protections under the law. But hey god forbid i think like a free man and not a subject.

subsonic said:
If they were lawfully serving a lawful warrant, then they had a right to be there. Mistakes happen, and cops have immunity for a reason when they aren't acting outside the law. If a uniformed cop with a warrant is telling you to drop your weapon you should drop your weapon. The place to fight the cops is in court, preferably without getting shot if at all possible.

Jmac00 · Dec 27, 2019

what SHOULD BE BANNED is **no knock** warrants/raids. There is no excuse for a no knock raid. The police can surround a house, and simply knock on the door. if the bad guys resist, then have at it.

No knock warrants endanger the police and the victim.

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