holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Over 20,000 , but the effect was nil. the difference is , this is not a protest , Its a direct challenge .
Oath keepers Call To Action in Virginia. We Need Boots on the Ground and Trainers
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Well your point has been made, I don't agree with any of it .
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
So, you're saying the civil rights activists in the 1960's completely wasted their time?
That the best strategy is not to challenge injustice, an overreaching government, and unconstitutional laws?
At the very least their voice will be heard. They are exercising their rights to freedom of speech, right to peaceably assemble, and right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I think they deserve my support.
That the best strategy is not to challenge injustice, an overreaching government, and unconstitutional laws?
At the very least their voice will be heard. They are exercising their rights to freedom of speech, right to peaceably assemble, and right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I think they deserve my support.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So you think that you will still be able to buy the new Scorpion Evo and the FFL will continue to sell it? Will he now start selling SBR’s too without background checks or will he just follow the law with that and not the Scorpion Evo? Will the police not arrest the FFL?
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
I'll tell you what's going to happen, because history repeats itself. This movement is going to grow. How much cash you wanna lay down that the rally in Richmond is larger than the rally in Albany.
These bums want to keep their cushy jobs and benefits sucking on the government tit.
Virginia Governor Northam, Champion of Public Safety. That's what the history books will write. They'll put up a statue to him in every public square that they tear down a Confederate statue.
These bums want to keep their cushy jobs and benefits sucking on the government tit.
Virginia Governor Northam, Champion of Public Safety. That's what the history books will write. They'll put up a statue to him in every public square that they tear down a Confederate statue.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I don't think you have any understanding of what is about to take place in Virginia. Any attempt of confiscation will be met with direct gunfire. None of those laws will be enforceable . The police Do not want to enforce those laws because they understand the size and scope of the mission is beyond their ability. They understand many of their own family members would be arrested. They can legally refuse to enforce the laws on the grounds that they are in conflict with their oaths ..Any officer obeying such laws are criminals , they will be met in the field .The odds of the SCOTUS coming down on the side of confiscating millions of firearms that were legal and available for a century-plus is practically nil. If the SCOTUS green-lighted Northam’s gun confiscation plans, nullifying the Second Amendment, they would virtually be declaring war on tens of millions of constitution-believing American citizens, igniting a Civil War.
Do you understand that several hundred IRA tied up several British divisions for decades? DO you understand that the Taliban has been undeated for the last 20 years? Do you understand that militia groups from across the country are converging on Virginia as we speak? Do you understand that Virginia is 42,000 square miles ?That the state police number 2100? broken down into 3 shifts of 700. That the population is over 8 million. Estimates on the rally right now are 20,000 to 100,000 depending on the source. Thereas a lot of people coming from out of state , A lot. The time has come to submit to tyranny or stand up to it.
Your not grasping whats going on down there. the people intend to fight , They will shoot criminals on sight, they will fire bomb thier homes . There is going to be a war if the govonor doesnt back down. Thats whats going to happen. so when you say you cant buy a gun in store its laughable.
Do you understand that several hundred IRA tied up several British divisions for decades? DO you understand that the Taliban has been undeated for the last 20 years? Do you understand that militia groups from across the country are converging on Virginia as we speak? Do you understand that Virginia is 42,000 square miles ?That the state police number 2100? broken down into 3 shifts of 700. That the population is over 8 million. Estimates on the rally right now are 20,000 to 100,000 depending on the source. Thereas a lot of people coming from out of state , A lot. The time has come to submit to tyranny or stand up to it.
Your not grasping whats going on down there. the people intend to fight , They will shoot criminals on sight, they will fire bomb thier homes . There is going to be a war if the govonor doesnt back down. Thats whats going to happen. so when you say you cant buy a gun in store its laughable.
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Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
While that may be entirely true I also believe doing nothing is just as if not more inneffective.
96coal449
.308 Win
The clock is ticking.
I eagerly await.
Let the "shit show" begin.
The pissed of Virginians I have been communicating with will not except unconstitutional.
It is a shame we did not have an armed rally in Albany.
We may not have been ignored.
@holdover your post #36 gave me chills of pride I cannot describe.
God bless the patriots!!!
I eagerly await.
Let the "shit show" begin.
The pissed of Virginians I have been communicating with will not except unconstitutional.
It is a shame we did not have an armed rally in Albany.
We may not have been ignored.
@holdover your post #36 gave me chills of pride I cannot describe.
God bless the patriots!!!
This is absolutely going to be interesting to say the least. I really wish I could attend... I cannot for a multitude of reasons, I will watch though with great anticipation.
I wonder at points in our history like this if this one event can be a turning point.
I am not at all comparing this to the Boston Tea Party, but, I would bet that none that participated in that Party ever thought it would be considered a huge turning point in out Nation's history.
Maybe this event in Virginia will be as big and as important; maybe the entire event will be a flop.
For those that are invovled with attempting to make positive change throughout America, good for you. For all those, to include some members here, that sit back and MF every idea for change, I hope the best for them as well.
I wonder at points in our history like this if this one event can be a turning point.
I am not at all comparing this to the Boston Tea Party, but, I would bet that none that participated in that Party ever thought it would be considered a huge turning point in out Nation's history.
Maybe this event in Virginia will be as big and as important; maybe the entire event will be a flop.
For those that are invovled with attempting to make positive change throughout America, good for you. For all those, to include some members here, that sit back and MF every idea for change, I hope the best for them as well.
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
Defense of the Constitutional order and actual "rule of law" is the true civil rights battle of our era. The anti-constitutional fascists in the democrat party (democrat in name only) has demonstrated that their pursuit of power will stop at absolutely nothing. Their problem is their mask broke a little early with the defeat of Hitlery, they lost their shit, and have over-reached on every front, alerting all us "normies" of their actual designs. It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious...
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
Agreed
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And you aren’t understanding what I’m saying.
The government isn’t going to do anything at the rally. It’s stupid to do so. What they have isn’t illegal yet. And even if it passed today, they still won’t do anything at the rally because it’s stupid to do so. Why would the government want a situation to get out of hand? They will ignore it. That isn’t a win for the people.
Then afterwards, arrest one by one just like here in NY just like in the examples I’ve given you that you refuse to acknowledge. At a car stop. When someone calls about an altercation. When gun shops continue to sell banned items. Etc.
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1075tech
.338 Win Mag
I had email correspondence the other day with a gentleman from Virginia. He works at a major university in the state. This is a quote from his email: "People are rightly pissed and there is lots of talk of violence, both in private and very public arenas (budget meetings yesterday, a former SF guy told them “don’t make me use my training against my own government”). "
96coal449
.308 Win
You do have a point. Homo did not show his mug at all.....
Personally, I'm hoping the feds really take notice......
Shit needs to change. The message is: We will not be disarmed.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
My understanding is that the bill will be past into law before the 20th. if not, then obviously nothing is going to happen. IF so , it is an outright open rebellion against the governor and state daring them to their face to confisicate it .It demonstrates that the people hold the real power. Hopefully , that will be enough . it also depends upon how egotistical Northrup is , Will he see the light or press on? If the state police choose to enforce confiscation , they will do so the first few times , but eventually they will run into the Sherriff of Nottingham and his jolly men, The sheriff openly stated they will not allow it to happen in their county's and they are going to bring friends.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Oh but you will be in the long game and that’s my point. That’s their sole mission. Are you disarmed from buying and owning fully automatic rifles? Are you disarmed from owning and buying SBR’s and silencers? Are you disarmed from buying the latest Tavor Bullpup rifle?
Yes. You are. They may not be able to take your AR now, but it will be gone later.
Anyone who thinks that just because they have a 30 rd magazine and an AR in the closet that things are just the same as before the laws were passed is a fool. You aren’t going to go hunting with it if you are smart. You aren’t going to keep it as an everyday trunk gun if you are smart.
If caught, do you think the DA will not press charges? Do you think if body cams are involved, you won’t be charged? Do you think that if the cops are called to your house for a disturbance and a fully featured AR is there in plain view you won’t get charged?
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
No.
Because your talking about a scenario where the government wins .
Because your talking about a scenario where the government wins .
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Again you refuse to see what I’m saying. Defiance? That’s nothing. That only benefits the egos of those doing it for that one day. The government isn’t going to cry. The long game is won. Afterwards those that got their satisfaction for that one day we’ll either register, modify, hide, or a combination of all.
Very few will hunt or keep their trunk guns illegally if they do not have the money or time to deal with an arrest.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Then you are naive if you really think that. I guess SBRs, silencers, guns sold without NICS checks, people carrying without a license aren’t enforced now either.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Again, your talking about law enforcement, Im talking about the law being thrown out or an actual conflict . Im hoping that the law will not pass in the first place in which everything settles back down to normal. Or a conflict in which all bets are off , and military weapons are procured. (lleagally )
96coal449
.308 Win
I have plans that I will not share on an open forum.....those plans will proceed if I do not vacate NY.
I'm done playing games, I only hold two rifles in my possession here in NY. Both compliant so I may enjoy what little target plinking time I have.
I am not legally obligated to obey an unconstitutional law period.
I will protect myself from unjust legislation.
If any charges were ever brought upon me by idiots at bay, they will meet my lawyer who would defend me for free.
I am well liked by many. Including him.
When I make my changes in my plans, my toys are coming home.
I will not live in fear of tyrants.
FUCK THEM.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And you think that the government will throw out a law that passed or go in gang busters into an armed crowd?
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
If you think everyone in Virgina that has a weapon is going to just go along with the program and become a felon , surrender their weapons and pay the men that did , Your nuts.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
The law can be stopped for review by a supreme court, or it could be tossed out as not practical , or it could be ignored by police and procecutors, or it may not pass at all. All reasonable possibilitys , I do not think that the police will even attempt it .
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
They do not care what you do until they catch you after a screw up or by chance. You think they care if I carry in a post office while they don’t know about it? No. But if someone calls and the police respond, they will care then.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yes. In the long run they will unless you think they will continue to go along as if nothing happened. Look at you. Didn’t you once say that you wouldn’t buy a pistol because you didn’t want to ask the government for permission? I keep repeating myself here because you ignore what I’m saying but do you think Virginians are now going to open carry SBR’s that aren’t registered too? Will the gun stores continue to sell new rifles for law enforcement only to the public without BGCs?
Come on dude.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
The difference between us in NY and them is that we thought the law could not possibly stand in a supreme court case , and it probably wouldn't if it ever got there. We felt bringing arms to the rally would hurt us more than help us . They learned from our mistakes . Don't forget Cuomo was forced to drop the confiscation part of his safe act because it was un enforceable and dangerous
96coal449
.308 Win
If I stay and my plans don't proceed as planed then my toys stay in TX with my uncle. Safe and sound as well as I.
If they proceed as planned ....I am good to go. No joke.
If the tyrants proceed with confiscation I will not be alone.
I prefer to get the fuck out of dodge. All the while feeling bad about leaving my fellow patriots behind.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Look at you. Didn’t you once say that you wouldn’t buy a pistol because you didn’t want to ask the government for permission?
No, I said I would never register one.
I cant speak for what the gun stores will do , it totally depends on happens . They are a business, Their livelihoods depend on it. They are not patriots protecting thier freedoms , They are people putting food on the table .
No, I said I would never register one.
I cant speak for what the gun stores will do , it totally depends on happens . They are a business, Their livelihoods depend on it. They are not patriots protecting thier freedoms , They are people putting food on the table .
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
Well, I'm gonna play Vegas here, and put the odds that all this turns into a shit storm @ 55/45 yes. Maybe even 60/40.
Oathkeepers doesn't put out an open post in front of God and everybody that they need training volunteers just cuz they finally scraped up enough ppl to attend the rally, and they can all meet @ Pizza Hut beforehand.
Governor Shit for Brains should have chosen his words more carefully.
I've yet to see where the best way to put out a fire was to pour more kerosene on it.
8-10 weeks ago these people were happy with open carry, and semi-automatic military look alike firearm ownership. Virginia recognized every carry permit in the nation. A sleepy southern state.
Soon to be the focus of the entire nation.
Oathkeepers doesn't put out an open post in front of God and everybody that they need training volunteers just cuz they finally scraped up enough ppl to attend the rally, and they can all meet @ Pizza Hut beforehand.
Governor Shit for Brains should have chosen his words more carefully.
I've yet to see where the best way to put out a fire was to pour more kerosene on it.
8-10 weeks ago these people were happy with open carry, and semi-automatic military look alike firearm ownership. Virginia recognized every carry permit in the nation. A sleepy southern state.
Soon to be the focus of the entire nation.