Cuomo’s response to the WuFlu Situation

[Keyzard]

The reason is because while many people die from the Flu there is actually a vaccine for the flu that prevents a lot of those deaths
including the groups at higher risk where the seasonal vaccine is pretty much a must for those people.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm actually trying to get my head wrapped around this.....I'm in my low 50's, there was no flu vaccine for the majority of my life (I think?). I also don't recall so much "doom and gloom" around the flu when I was a kid. So has the flu gotten more deadly? Did we not track it as well back in the 70's to early 90's? I sometimes feel that the drug manufactures either hype or publicize an ailment to increase sales.....maybe I'm wrong, but I sure as all hell don't recall hearing about so many guys having erectile dysfunction until the little blue pill was invented......

 

[Darth]

I'm not disagreeing, I'm actually trying to get my head wrapped around this.....I'm in my low 50's, there was no flu vaccine for the majority of my life (I think?). I also don't recall so much "doom and gloom" around the flu when I was a kid. So has the flu gotten more deadly? Did we not track it as well back in the 70's to early 90's? I sometimes feel that the drug manufactures either hype or publicize an ailment to increase sales.....maybe I'm wrong, but I sure as all hell don't recall hearing about so many guys having erectile dysfunction until the little blue pill was invented......

That’s a very dangerous way of thinking.

Thats like saying “before mental illness was dreamed up, we had none.”

Yeah, they‘d just call them witches and burn them at the stake.

And considering the medical treatment for not having the vaccine nets said drug companies far more than the vaccines, that too makes no sense.

 

[meketrefe]

I get that not having a vaccine sucks, but if we watched one season of the flu with the same viewfinder as this stuff the results would be the same.

The vaccine is what moves the niddle towards herd inmmunity from a 50 or 60% (some estimate) to something like the 80% we need to be effective.
Since it is here to stay and to be a seasonal thing a lot of people will still die but it will be more controlled like the flu with its vaccine.
The problem is that in order to get to the critical herd immunity w/o a vaccine that will take a lots of lives potentially millions and specially because that vaccine will be the most effective in the ones that need it the most to reach immunity w/o risking getting sick.

People need to understand what an exponential formula is. It means that if acceleration of infections does not slow in a few days millions could be infected so it is not only about preserving life but avoiding the total collapse of the health system and then people will die from anything that
needs medical attention that today can prevent a death becuase they cannot get to a doctor.

That is why the thing has to be contained, to gain time that is essential right now.

fyi I got some exciting news, fingers crossed....
I got a message from a friend in Spain who is a doctor in one of the main hospitals in Madrid and he said yesterday was the 2nd day
they have seen a substantial decline in the acceleration of the spread rate. If this continues to be the case in 10-15 days they might be going over the curve like China did 3 weeks ago.
This will also means the State's order to "shelter in place" is working.
These news give hope after so many died in the last 48hrs ..So we will keep listening.

 

[meketrefe]

Some people talk a lot of shit.
When people die in your arms and one knows perhaps something could be done why we are so fvcking arrogant and we don't listen?
Some people say, stop contention, just let the virus spread and let mother nature do its thing but then they change their opinion
when it is their kids, them, their parents or grandparents who get very sick and might die.
Then they will grab a red hot iron in order to save them.

 

[Darth]

Some people talk a lot of shit.
When people die in your arms and one knows perhaps something could be done why we are so fvcking arrogant and we don't listen?
Some people say, stop contention, just let the virus spread and let mother nature do its thing but then they change their opinion
when it is their kids, them, their parents or grandparents who get very sick and might die.
Then they will grab a red hot iron in order to save them.

Nah, when you let emotion cloud things you get nowhere.

”If it was your kids you‘d...” I have no interest at that point, and nothing relevant is ever said after that.

 

[meketrefe]

I'm not disagreeing, I'm actually trying to get my head wrapped around this.....I'm in my low 50's, there was no flu vaccine for the majority of my life (I think?). I also don't recall so much "doom and gloom" around the flu when I was a kid. So has the flu gotten more deadly? Did we not track it as well back in the 70's to early 90's? I sometimes feel that the drug manufactures either hype or publicize an ailment to increase sales.....maybe I'm wrong, but I sure as all hell don't recall hearing about so many guys having erectile dysfunction until the little blue pill was invented......

I know this is a streful time for everyone. Nobody sane wants to die but the wonderful thing that the very same interconnected world that contributed to the fast spread of the virus can help people communicate, collaborate and help almost instantly.

Education and discipline are great antidotes for ignorance and chaos.

The political BS and fear mongering is what I cannot stand. People worrying about "I cannot go to the party" or "my gun shop closed".
who were reading about prepping threads all their lives and do not have a couple of extra rolls of toilet paper for rainy day now they
need to go out.

 

[Keyzard]

I appreciate everyone'e responses.....I may not agree with everything said, but thank you for taking the time to further clarify your positions.

(I'm also super confused.....I thought Darth and meketrefe felt the same way about this? You two are going to make me read way back to figure out what y'all mean....lol)

 

[meketrefe]

Nah, when you let emotion cloud things you get nowhere.

”If it was your kids you‘d...” I have no interest at that point, and nothing relevant is ever said after that.

It is a total state of confusion among many other things so while healthy debate is always a good thing it is also a great thing
to concentrate on things one can actually do and perhaps provide some value.
I understand emotion is not a good thing and a great treat to have for a diver like you.
But many people are going to get emotional because it is natural in front of danger.

We take helping the doctors and epidemiologist with their instructions as our duty for us, our family and others, even if they
are not correct in all their attempts.

This motherfucker corona is so small we cannot shoot it even with the best bolt action.

 

[Darth]

I appreciate everyone'e responses.....I may not agree with everything said, but thank you for taking the time to further clarify your positions.

(I'm also super confused.....I thought Darth and meketrefe felt the same way about this? You two are going to make me read way back to figure out what y'all mean....lol)

@meketrefe and myself are not an echo chamber and that is refreshing.

Differing opinions are great, and should be encouraged, not reported or suppressed.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Cuomo Administration Rejected Purchasing Additional Ventilators in 2015 for Pandemic Preparedness Based on Funding - Recommended System on Who Would Not Receive Treatment | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor

UPDATE– We have updated this post and added clarification below.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[meketrefe]

Cuomo Administration Rejected Purchasing Additional Ventilators in 2015 for Pandemic Preparedness Based on Funding - Recommended System on Who Would Not Receive Treatment | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor

UPDATE– We have updated this post and added clarification below.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

That didn't fit the agenda at the time.

 

[Jmac00]

RANT ON
I find cuomo is doing what he does best. He is politicizing a crisis. he is the governor of the state, he has the power to call up the National Guard. he doesn't have to wait for Federal permission. He keeps waiting for someone else to blame, like a baby he waits for Federal permission to act.

what cuomo is, like most politicians, is very smooth talker. Pres. Trump on the other hand, not so much. I feel the President has to keep stumbling through speeches and Press conferences because of the constant attacks on his administration by the press. the MSM's goal is to make POTUS look bad, so POTUS spends half his time defending himself and his administration.

Pres. Trump, I feel, is doing a great job with the available information he has. His problem is he's not good at cheer-leading, he is trying to keep a positive attitude and bolster the spirits of all Americans, he just kinda sucks at it.

he finally has manufactures making ventilators, the problem is, tooling, None of these manufacturers have the tooling to simply "switch over" to making a completely different product than they are use to. Imagine making cars one day, and the next day your trying to make a very complicated, intricate machine to help people breath? Thats takes a little bit of time.

cuomo suck ass, he's doesn't do anything that won't eventually benefit him. And don't even get me going on De blowme, that commie douche bag should rot in hell, forever

RANT OVER

 

[Darth]

I think they are both doing a horrendous job.

Trump, Cuomo, you name it.

 

[Dr. Evil]

RANT ON
I find cuomo is doing what he does best. He is politicizing a crisis. he is the governor of the state, he has the power to call up the National Guard. he doesn't have to wait for Federal permission. He keeps waiting for someone else to blame, like a baby he waits for Federal permission to act.

what cuomo is, like most politicians, is very smooth talker. Pres. Trump on the other hand, not so much. I feel the President has to keep stumbling through speeches and Press conferences because of the constant attacks on his administration by the press. the MSM's goal is to make POTUS look bad, so POTUS spends half his time defending himself and his administration.

Pres. Trump, I feel, is doing a great job with the available information he has. His problem is he's not good at cheer-leading, he is trying to keep a positive attitude and bolster the spirits of all Americans, he just kinda sucks at it.

he finally has manufactures making ventilators, the problem is, tooling, None of these manufacturers have the tooling to simply "switch over" to making a completely different product than they are use to. Imagine making cars one day, and the next day your trying to make a very complicated, intricate machine to help people breath? Thats takes a little bit of time.

cuomo suck ass, he's doesn't do anything that won't eventually benefit him. And don't even get me going on De blowme, that commie douche bag should rot in hell, forever

RANT OVER

I remember another guy who was a smooth talker. Man, was he polished. He also campaigned on a "Fundamental change of America."

 

[Jmac00]

I think they are both doing a horrendous job.

Trump, Cuomo, you name it.

you should run for office, maybe you can fix everything

 

[Darth]

you should run for office, maybe you can fix everything

That would contradict my stance as "hands off government."

 

[Jmac00]

That would contradict my stance as "hands off government."

then it's anarchy, right? is that your response?

 

[Darth]

then it's anarchy, right? is that your response?

For the most part, yes.

 

[Jmac00]

For the most part, yes.

cool, what about commerce? how would you propose to protect all those under your care

 

[Darth]

cool, what about commerce? how would you propose to protect all those under your care

Provide a specific situation?

 

[Jmac00]

Provide a specific situation?

you need to eat, don't you. whos going to grow your food? what regulations would you put of agriculture to protect yourself and those under your care. would your trade for food? How do you plan to get around, horse and buggy, car?

 

[Darth]

you need to eat, don't you. whos going to grow your food? what regulations would you put of agriculture to protect yourself and those under your care. would your trade for food? How do you plan to get around, horse and buggy, car?

What in the world are you talking about?

You know who else needed to eat and move around too? People before there was even the word "government."

 

[Jmac00]

What in the world are you talking about?

You know who else needed to eat and move around too? People before there was even the word "government."

and when was that? at what time in history was there NEVER a government, in one form or another.

 

[Darth]

and when was that? at what time in history was there NEVER a government, in one form or another.

Since literally the beginning of recorded history?

Let's get to the point, are you stating that without government people would starve and there would be no want to get from one place to the other?

 

[Jmac00]

Since literally the beginning of recorded history?

Let's get to the point, are you stating that without government people would starve and there would be no want to get from one place to the other?

no what I saying is, at some point, people in general need order. They need rules. or we have chaos. Obviously you are quite comfortable with lawlessness and chaos. Thast fine, but when someone else comes along and takes all your shit, because you have no protection, no order and no support, don't bitch

 

[Darth]

no what I saying is, at some point, people in general need order. They need rules. or we have chaos. Obviously you are quite comfortable with lawlessness and chaos. Thast fine, but when someone else comes along and takes all your shit, because you have no protection, no order and no support, don't bitch

Actually what I said is we don't need government. For the most part.

Do you eat Thanksgiving dinner?

 

[Jmac00]

Actually what I said is we don't need government. For the most part.

Do you eat Thanksgiving dinner?

never mind, your density has me beat, you win, Im out

 

[Darth]

never mind, your density has me beat, you win, Im out

And you bowed out all on your own, without any government help.

You're learning.

 

[SomeSoldier]

We (everyone here) bailed out the auto industry. Why shouldn't GM be retrofitted and start manufacturing ventilators right now? Why shouldn't we make them do this, or start making masks? Or do we want to continue to just bail out industries and have them do nothing in return except get richer on our dime.

Edit: Looks like they are doing just that!

Because we are better than the people who fail us. Fuck bailouts!

 

[BDinPutnam]

Nero.