Let’s Talk Statues.

[DoD1776]

Opening statement:

History is not there for you to like or dislike. It’s there for you to learn from.
History is not there for you to like or dislike. It’s there for you to learn from.
If it offends you, even better. Because then you are less likely to repeat it.
It’s not yours to erase or destroy. It belongs to us.

 

[DoD1776]

French President Macron refuses to 'erase' history by removing colonial-era statues

Macron has tried to support efforts to combat racism even as he refuses to cave to key demands.

www.foxnews.com

Marcon actually does something good for once.

French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday declared his full support for the fight against racism, but refused to let his country take down statues of controversial, colonial-era figures.

Macron publicly acknowledged that someone’s “address, name, color of skin” could reduce their chances to succeed in French society. He called for assurances that everyone could “find their place” in society, regardless of origin.
Regarding calls to remove statues representing France’s slave trade or colonial wrongs, though, Macron said, “the republic will not erase any trace, or any name, from its history... it will not take down any statue.”

 

[livingston]

The statue of Raoul Wallenberg, the Swedish diplomat who saved thousands of Jews during the Holocaust, stood at the corner of Fairfax and Beverly in Los Angeles. When the racist mobs swept through the area, looting Jewish stores and defacing synagogues with "BLM" and "Free Palestine" graffiti, the statue of a man who risked his life to resist fascism and bigotry was one of their targets.
The racists and leftists vandalizing statues across the world claim that they’re fighting hate, but their targets have often been the men and women who courageously stood up to racism and hatred.

More @ Front Page Mag

 

[livingston]

Look what they have planned for us .....

 

[DoD1776]

Look what they have planned for us .....

I cannot stand that fucking clown. He pisses me off so much. Twitter is sooo toxic.

 

[Blimey]

I cannot stand that fucking clown. He pisses me off so much. Twitter is sooo toxic.

Said it before: Social media has been the greatest undoing of this nation. That guy would eagerly line up to turn the showers on.

Peter Hitchens on dailymail made a good point. It's not so much the statues they tear down that is a worry as much as the ones they will erect.

 

[TheMoneyPit]

It's not so much the statues they tear down that is a worry as much as the ones they will erect.

Nancy p, can you imagine

 

[fresch]

It's "The Devils Highway".

 

[holdover]

 

[holdover]

George Washington , Portland

 

[GOYABEAN]

Maloney requests Army removes Confederate symbols at West Point - Mid Hudson News

WASHINGTON – Congressman Sean Patrick Maloney (D, NY-18), Thursday, urged military officials to remove any symbols honoring Confederate officers at the US Military Academy at West Point and rename any buildings named in their honor. Maloney’s request was sent to Secretary of Defense Mark Esper...

midhudsonnews.com

 

[holdover]

Theres a war coming, Just a matter of time before it starts.

 

[Robin]

Okay.
Robin

 

[holdover]

You don't think?

 

[Criticalt]

Theres a war coming, Just a matter of time before it starts.

It better get started before there is nothing to fight for.

 

[holdover]

If you guys cant see the writing on the wall , I guess I cant help ya.

There is a large portion of Americans who are rejecting the ideas of America They have completely infiltrated the entire Democratic party They control large parts of the media, and social media, the courts, the command structure of the military, the boards of education .political postions from city to federal ,They are presently attempting to defund police depts. across the country .We have a culture that rejects American values, We have states that refuse to enforce immigration laws We have open defiance of the law at every level.We have a government which has allowed and encouraged the de-industrialization of the US to communists. and We have a large group of people who believe that capitalism is raceist and must be destroyed. and We have an election coming up in which neither side will except the results.

I cant put a time line on it , but the kindling for a large fire is there.


How do civil wars happen?


Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can’t settle the question through elections because they don’t even agree that elections are how you decide who’s in charge.

That’s the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it’s not the first time they’ve done this.

The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn’t really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There’s a pattern here.

Trump didn’t really win the election. Bush didn’t really win the election. Every time a Republican president won an election this century, the Democrats insist he didn’t really win.

Now say a third Republican president wins an election in say, 2024.

What are the odds that they’ll say that he didn’t really win? Right now, it looks like 100 percent.

What do sure odds of the Dems rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don’t accept the results of any election that they don’t win.

It means they don’t believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

That’s a civil war.

Russian media: 2020 election will cause an American civil war - Geller Report

We are already in a civil war. It’s not guns that make a civil war. It’s politics. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

gellerreport.com

The Egyptian revolution of 2011, also known as the January 25 Revolution (Arabic: ثورة 25 يناير‎; Thawrah 25 yanāyir),[21] started on 25 January 2011 and spread across Egypt. The date was set by various youth groups to coincide with the annual Egyptian "Police holiday" as a statement against increasing police brutality during the last few years of Mubarak's presidency. It consisted of demonstrations, marches, occupations of plazas, non-violent civil resistance, acts of civil disobedience and strikes. Millions of protesters from a range of socio-economic and religious backgrounds demanded the overthrow of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Violent clashes between security forces and protesters resulted in at least 846 people killed and over 6,000 injured.[22][23] Protesters retaliated by burning over 90 police stations across the country.[24]
The Egyptian protesters' grievances focused on legal and political issues,[25] including police brutality, state-of-emergency laws,[1] lack of political freedom, civil liberty, freedom of speech, corruption,[2] high unemployment, food-price inflation[3] and low wages.[1][3] The protesters' primary demands were the end of the Mubarak regime and emergency law. Strikes by labour unions added to the pressure on government officials.[26] During the uprising, the capital, Cairo, was described as "a war zone"[27] and the port city of Suez saw frequent violent clashes. Protesters defied a government-imposed curfew, which was impossible to enforce by the police and military. Egypt's Central Security Forces, loyal to Mubarak, were gradually replaced by military troops. In the chaos, there was looting by rioters which was instigated (according to opposition sources) by plainclothes police officers. In response, watch groups were organized by civilian vigilantes to protect their neighborhoods.[28][29][30][31][32]
On 11 February 2011, Vice President Omar Suleiman announced that Mubarak resigned as president, turning power over to the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF).[33] The military junta, headed by effective head of state Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, announced on 13 February that the constitution is suspended, both houses of parliament dissolved and the military would govern for six months (until elections could be held). The previous cabinet, including Prime Minister Ahmed Shafik, would serve as a caretaker government until a new one was formed.[34]
After the revolution against Mubarak and a period of rule by the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, the Muslim Brotherhood took power in Egypt through a series of popular elections, with Egyptians electing Islamist Mohamed Morsi to the presidency in June 2012.[35] However, the Morsi government encountered fierce opposition after his attempt to pass an Islamic-leaning constitution. Morsi also issued a temporary presidential decree that raised his decisions over judicial review to enable the passing of the constitution.[36] It sparked general outrage from secularists and members of the military, and mass protests broke out against his rule on 28 June 2013.[37] On 3 July 2013, Morsi was deposed by a coup d'état led by the minister of defense, General Abdel Fattah El-Sisi,[38] as millions of Egyptians took to the streets in support of early elections.[39] El-Sisi went on to become Egypt's president by popular election in 2014.[40]

According to a U.S. Embassy report, police brutality has been widespread in Egypt.[64] In the five years before the revolution, the Mubarak regime denied the existence of torture or abuse by police. However, claims by domestic and international groups provided cellphone videos or first-hand accounts of hundreds of cases of police brutality.[65] According to the 2009 Human Rights Report from the U.S. State Department, "Domestic and international human rights groups reported that the Ministry of Interior (MOI) State Security Investigative Service (SSIS), police, and other government entities continued to employ torture to extract information or force confessions. The Egyptian Organization for Human Rights documented 30 cases of torture during the year 2009. In numerous trials defendants alleged that police tortured them during questioning. During the year activists and observers circulated some amateur cellphone videos documenting the alleged abuse of citizens by security officials. For example, on 8 February, a blogger posted a video of two police officers, identified by their first names and last initials, sodomizing a bound naked man named Ahmed Abdel Fattah Ali with a bottle. On 12 August, the same blogger posted two videos of alleged police torture of a man in a Port Said police station by the head of investigations, Mohammed Abu Ghazala. There was no indication that the government investigated either case."[66]

Corruption, coercion not to vote and manipulation of election results occurred during many elections over Mubarak's 30-year rule.[78] Until 2005, Mubarak was the only presidential candidate (with a yes-or-no vote).[79] Mubarak won five consecutive presidential elections with a sweeping majority. Although opposition groups and international election-monitoring agencies charged that the elections were rigged, those agencies were not allowed to monitor elections. The only opposition presidential candidate in recent Egyptian history, Ayman Nour, was imprisoned before the 2005 elections.[80] According to a 2007 UN survey, voter turnout was extremely low (about 25 percent) because of a lack of trust in the political system.[79]

 

[holdover]

Jasmine Revolution, popular uprising in Tunisia that protested against corruption, poverty, and political repression and forced Pres. Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali to step down in January 2011. The success of the uprising, which came to be known in the media as the “Jasmine Revolution,” inspired a wave of similar protests throughout the Middle East and North Africa.

Unrest began after Mohammed Bouazizi, an unemployed 26-year-old, protested government corruption by setting fire to himself outside a municipal office in the town of Sidi Bouzid in central Tunisia on December 17. Bouazizi, who had been supporting his family by selling fruit from a cart, was enraged when local officials repeatedly demanded bribes and confiscated his merchandise. His plight, which came to symbolize the injustice and economic hardship afflicting many Tunisians under the Ben Ali regime, inspired street protests throughout the country against high unemployment, poverty, and political repression.

The Tunisian government’s response to the protests attracted international criticism when dozens of protesters were killed in clashes with police. Amid accusations of use of excessive force, Ben Ali dismissed the minister of the interior, Rafik Belhaj Kacem, and vowed to establish an investigative committee to examine the government’s response to the crisis. However, clashes between police and protesters continued and spread to the capital, where the government deployed troops to control the unrest. Because earlier attempts to quell the rioting had failed, on January 13 Ben Ali appeared on national television and made broader concessions to the opposition, promising not to seek another term as president when his term ended in 2014. He expressed regret over the deaths of protesters and vowed to order police to stop using live fire except in self-defense. Addressing some of the protesters’ grievances, he said he would reduce food prices and loosen restrictions on Internet use.

Jasmine Revolution | Tunisia, Arab Spring, Timeline, & Results | Britannica

Jasmine Revolution, popular uprising in Tunisia that forced the regime of President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali to step down in 2011. The success of the uprising inspired a wave of similar protests throughout the Middle East and North Africa that became known as the Arab Spring.

www.britannica.com

 

[Blimey]

There is a large portion of Americans who are rejecting the ideas of America They have completely infiltrated the entire Democratic party They control large parts of the media, and social media, the courts, the command structure of the military, the boards of education .political postions from city to federal ,They are presently attempting to defund police depts. across the country .We have a culture that rejects American values, We have states that refuse to enforce immigration laws We have open defiance of the law at every level.We have a government which has allowed and encouraged the de-industrialization of the US to communists. and We have a large group of people who believe that capitalism is raceist and must be destroyed. and We have an election coming up in which neither side will except the results.

I want to quote this because I challenge anybody here to disagree with it.

These things do not necessarily portend a civil war, but they are all very serious, and very negative, and definitely hurting the country. Hurt countries eventually do break down once hurt enough, and that tends to look like either a civil war or a purge. In a heavily armed population a civil war is more likely, as it won't be possible for authorities to commit genocide without having to fight for it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Just curious. Who will be the opposing side of this hypothetical civil war?

 

[Blimey]

Just curious. Who will be the opposing side of this hypothetical civil war?

Surely you jest. Most democrats and republicans dislike each other, but a meaningful number of each hate the other side so much they see them as either not human, or as traitors.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Surely you jest. Most democrats and republicans dislike each other, but a meaningful number of each hate the other side so much they see them as either not human, or as traitors.

Yeah. I get that. But think ahead. Past the dislike. Go to the execution phase of the dislike. So you think democrats are going to arm up? If so then what? Are they just going to start randomly killing people on the street? Will the police just step aside?

Maybe a skirmish here or there may happen but an ongoing civil war? No. Far fetched.

 

[Blimey]

Yeah. I get that. But think ahead. Past the dislike. Go to the execution phase of the dislike. So you think democrats are going to arm up? If so then what? Are they just going to start randomly killing people on the street? Will the police just step aside?

Maybe a skirmish here or there may happen but an ongoing civil war? No. Far fetched.

I'm not sure.

It's not far fetched, though. Many countries have had civil wars, including this one. I think there is a good chance we end up a socialist state with no free media, the left controlling/cancelling everybody it disagrees with. Or we could end up with a violent backlash from the right. Either could result in a purge of the other side to the point where it remains just an ember.

It's increasingly hard for me to see a free, open united states in which most people live in peace, like we've had in the past.

Look at this guy. You think if he's willing to write this (he has since taken it down in the past couple of days), it would take a lot to get him to pull the trigger?

Here is a pathological hatred and rage, plainly there in text.


With the left erasing as much history as they can we are on an uncharted course. This guy is publicly ready to use tax dollars for reeducation of people he disagrees with.

 

[GOPerfect]

Statues....

Either get rid of all of them and assist in erasing our great history or keep them all.

This includes all of the statues honoring the colored people here in the US. Tear down MLK in Washington DC and throughout the entire US. Get rid of the names of all street names that bare the name of any person. Change the names of all Military installations that bare the name of a person.All buildings; airports, schools, colleges and the rest.

Yale university needs to be changed. Named after a slave owner and trader.

We need to leave all alone or stop erasing the history of this once great Nation.

To all that offended by our history or my post, fuck off.

 

[Marine Cpl]

@Blimey

Honestly, I think most people are just talk. It’s my opinion based on fact of what has happened up to today in various issues. It’s always tomorrow while everyday things get worse.

 

[Blimey]

@Blimey

Honestly, I think most people are just talk. It’s my opinion based on fact of what has happened up to today in various issues. It’s always tomorrow while everyday things get worse.

Most are, but most always have been and civil wars still do happen from time to time.

 

[holdover]

@Blimey

Honestly, I think most people are just talk. It’s my opinion based on fact of what has happened up to today in various issues. It’s always tomorrow while everyday things get worse.

Do you think the people tearing down statues , burning police stations ,and calling for the overthrow of the government are just talk?

 

[GOPerfect]

Do you think the people tearing down statues , burning police stations ,and calling for the overthrow of the government are just talk?

Too many see the word war and they think gun battles .

We are currently fighting a huge war against they lies and mistrmistruths in society. Out and out lies about equality and the lack thereof. The lies of police brutality. The lies of out of control racism. All lies and war is in fact being waged on that front.

We are engaged in a financial war. Some realize this and some do not.

We have a war going on in regards to freedofreedoms and Rights. One that we are losing badly.

There is bloodshed right now, I believe that bloodshed is only going to get worse. Sides are being picked, lines are definitely being drawn.

I know what side I will pick. I suggest more start thinking long and hard of where they will fall.

 

[@thewheels]

Dry tinder and kindling everywhere. Sparks may fly or they may not but if they do, the blaze will be epic.
You can only TRY to prepare and plan mentally, financially, and physically.
And whatever floats your boat......get lucky, good karma or divine intervention.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Too many see the word war and they think gun battles .

We are currently fighting a huge war against they lies and mistrmistruths in society. Out and out lies about equality and the lack thereof. The lies of police brutality. The lies of out of control racism. All lies and war is in fact being waged on that front.

We are engaged in a financial war. Some realize this and some do not.

We have a war going on in regards to freedofreedoms and Rights. One that we are losing badly.

There is bloodshed right now, I believe that bloodshed is only going to get worse. Sides are being picked, lines are definitely being drawn.

I know what side I will pick. I suggest more start thinking long and hard of where they will fall.

Yeah. I guess I’m seeing it wrong. You are correct. We are at war now technically. I’m talking more so the battle aspect of it. I do not see that ever happening.

Maybe a group here and there where things get out of hand like what happened at the New Mexico statue incident and days or weeks or months later another incident but a full fledged civil war where there are planned battles and missions? No. I do not ever see that happening.

 

[holdover]

Those are the elements that enable a civil war to begin.