Westchester pistol permit

[TopShot]

@ikilledkenny
Glock 19 Gen 5 is a little more compact.
It's the Chevy of handguns, not expensive and gets the job done.
This is what the NYPD and YPD use to name a few.
If you go with a Glock 19 Gen 5 make sure you get the latest one with front serration and no moon cutout on the grip.
It also has a little more relief on the underside of the trigger guard which helps prevent Glock Knuckle.
A variation of it also comes with Ameribold night sights, which are fast to pick up, that's my choice.

G19 Gen5 FS - The next generation

The GLOCK 19 Gen5 FS pistol in 9 mm Luger is ideal for a more versatile role due to its reduced dimensions.

us.glock.com

 

[ikilledkenny]

@ikilledkenny
Glock 19 Gen 5 is a little more compact.
It's the Chevy of handguns, not expensive and gets the job done.
This is what the NYPD and YPD use to name a few.
If you go with a Glock 19 Gen 5 make sure you get the latest one with front serration and no moon cutout on the grip.
It also has a little more relief on the underside of the trigger guard which helps prevent Glock Knuckle.
A variation of it also comes with Ameribold night sights, which are fast to pick up, that's my choice.

G19 Gen5 FS - The next generation

The GLOCK 19 Gen5 FS pistol in 9 mm Luger is ideal for a more versatile role due to its reduced dimensions.

us.glock.com

Thanks.

i should clarify i am looking to buy atleast 2-3 pistols.

recommendation for a second 9 mm and third one a 45

 

[TopShot]

@ikilledkenney,
I would go with 1 at time.
I don't think you will get the permit if you include the sales receipts for 3 guns with your permit application.
Did you do the class with Ben like you said you were?

 

[ikilledkenny]

@ikilledkenney,
I would go with 1 at time.
I don't think you will get the permit if you include the sales receipts for 3 guns with your permit application.
Did you do the class with Ben like you said you were?

curious as to why it will get declined. [there are provisions in the form to be able to include upto 4, without having to attach extra form for more]

but i will take your advise and just put in 1 for now if thats the case.

 

[Edwardteach72]

any recommendation on guns.
[ 2 or 3 may be so i can purchase and put it right away on the form]

going to get

1. glock 17 gen 5
2. not sure but want a compact one to be able to easily carry [9 mm] - low or manageable recoil, low maintenance, dependable
3. 45 - No sane reason, other than just want want one. . low or manageable recoil. low maintenance, dependable

i am not a big feller so low recoil is important to me.

any suggestions welcome.
also store recommendations.

thanks in advance.

Carrying a G17 isn't difficult

 

[togmaster]

curious as to why it will get declined. [there are provisions in the form to be able to include upto 4, without having to attach extra form for more]

but i will take your advise and just put in 1 for now if thats the case.

You always have a chance of being denied. No reason to tie up funds for 3 guns while waiting 6 months for your permit. Buy one and once approved stack em deep.
Good luck finding anything specific in the current market. Go to a few shops and see what they have. You may only find something used. Try L & L Sports in Harrison. https://lnlsports.com/

 

[TopShot]

I went to Hunter Sports in Massapequa 2 weeks ago.
I know Mark and he is a very good friend of my brother.
At that time he had 30 Glock 19's in stock.
His website does not represent his actual inventory.

Homepage

www.huntersports.com

 

[Chevusa]

Perhaps you should be more precise, and less vague and ambiguous when you make your statements. Your second sentence above is found nowhere by parsing your previous statements.

Post #76 "then they may also have a hard time reading and understanding Article 35. Carrying a deadly weapon without having an understanding of the laws regarding such could have catastrophic effects."

Carrying without knowing the rules for proper use sets you up for a bad experience. Not sure how that is not understood. Article 35? Whats that? Just fire away when you feel like it!!

 

[TopShot]

If you don't like Glocks get a Sig Sauer P320.
They are comparable to Glocks but have a slightly higher bore axis.
They are also available with night sights.
I would stay away from the bigger calibers to start.
Master 1 gun and 1 caliber before you move on.

P320 Nitron Compact

Get to the next level of concealment, while keeping your caliber options wide open with the P320 Compact.

www.sigsauer.com

 

[Chevusa]

Carrying a G17 isn't difficult

But a 43x gives you the same capacity. Why bother? I've always found it to be strange for people to carry a big gun that can only be half loaded from what it is designed to carry anyway. Different strokes I guess.....

 

[Edwardteach72]

But a 43x gives you the same capacity. Why bother? I've always found it to be strange for people to carry a big gun that can only be half loaded from what it is designed to carry anyway. Different strokes I guess.....

I mean because I can, and why would I take a handgun which is already a compromise with ballistics, then give it a smaller barrel which doesn't help with ballistics?

Who cares if a glock 17 standard capacity its 17 and i can only have 10, id rather have a quality fighting gun than something stupid like a 43x, or some micro gun

 

[TopShot]

@Chevusa
Glock 17 has a longer sight radius which aids in accuracy.
Glock 17 weighs more which helps with recoil management.
Glock 17 hurts more if you have to rack the slide in his eye socket.

 

[Edwardteach72]

@Chevusa
Glock 17 has a longer sight radius which aids in accuracy.
Glock 17 weighs more which helps with recoil management.
Glock 17 hurts more if you have to rack the slide in his eye socket.

Sssshhh he wont understand

 

[Chevusa]

I mean because I can, and why would I take a handgun which is already a compromise with ballistics, then give it a smaller barrel which doesn't help with ballistics?

Who cares if a glock 17 standard capacity its 17 and i can only have 10, id rather have a quality fighting gun than something stupid like a 43x, or some micro gun

What is the velocity difference between the two, and how does it specifically effect performance in real world situations? Seems just like the "all calibers are the same because they are all within xx diameter of each other and create wound tracks with no discernible difference".

If shot with a 9mm, a 200 FPS difference is not going to make any real difference. The longer sight radius is mute in a real world defensive shooting. You won't even see the sights in that situation and will statically be shooting someone 3 feet away.

 

[Edwardteach72]

What is the velocity difference between the two, and how does it specifically effect performance in real world situations? Seems just like the "all calibers are the same because they are all within xx diameter of each other and create wound tracks with no discernible difference".

If shot with a 9mm, a 200 FPS difference is not going to make any real difference. The longer sight radius is mute in a real world defensive shooting. You won't even see the sights in that situation and will statically be shooting someone 3 feet away.

I mean you can go watch shootingthrbull or whatever his youtub channel is, he's tested plenty of loads from micro barrels and most failed badly. That's why companies started making ammo specific for micro guns

 

[Edwardteach72]

. The longer sight radius is mute in a real world defensive shooting. You won't even see the sights in that situation and will statically be shooting someone 3 feet away.

So you don't have sights on your carry gun?

 

[togmaster]

What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

 

[Edwardteach72]

What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

About 24mph

 

[TopShot]

@Chevusa,
Never tell anyone you were point shooting in a defensive situation.

 

[TopShot]

@togmaster,
Stand on Buoy 42 and clock the speed with a radar gun.

 

[Chevusa]

So you don't have sights on your carry gun?

Sure I do. I shoot at the range a lot more often than I do at other people defensively. 2 different purposes. It doesn't apply in the situation you mentioned. You were specifically talking about a "fighting gun".

 

[togmaster]

About 24mph

African or European?

 

[Chevusa]

I mean you can go watch shootingthrbull or whatever his youtub channel is, he's tested plenty of loads from micro barrels and most failed badly. That's why companies started making ammo specific for micro guns

Lucky gunner tested all the big name rounds in short barrel carry guns. Most were great. The Federal HST line was perfect. That is what I carry.

 

[Edwardteach72]

And yes 200fps can make all the difference if the bullet doesn't get to the speed that it is designed to expand at

 

[Edwardteach72]

African or European?

European

 

[Edwardteach72]

Lucky gunner tested all the big name rounds in short barrel carry guns. Most were great. The Federal HST line was perfect. That is what I carry.

From a micro barrel?

 

[Edwardteach72]

not sure why you have sights on your carry gun, you won't need them

 

[Chevusa]

From a micro barrel?

Yup. I'm good. Perfect performance in expansion and penetration.
5 shot averages:
Depth - 15.2"
Diameter - .61"
Velocity - 973

 

[Edwardteach72]

Yup. I'm good. Perfect performance in expansion and penetration.
5 shot averages:
Depth - 15.2"
Diameter - .61"
Velocity - 973
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And have you tested it yourself or did you see this one test and go with that? And im not arguing lucky gunner or HST, but have you tested it?

Also why would you even put sights on your carry gun

 

[Chevusa]

not sure why you have sights on your carry gun, you won't need them

You listed that as an essential reason why your gun is better as a "fighting gun". That point is mute to this argument. If you want to talk long distance shooting on a closed range that is another story, but not the one being discussed here.