Phoenix cops kill man responding to noise complaints

[Acer-m14]

they made contact with the address .. .. no loud noise .. ends there .. its a loud noise complaint .. done

to answer the complaint .. go to the address that made the call .. we showed up and we didn't hear any loud noise .. call back if needed

my sleep time for work is 5am to 3pm .. i better start calling 911 on the neighbors lawn mower then .. he knows i'm sleeping then and can mow at 4pm .. no he fkin mows at 8am , 9am , 10am .. when he is bored .. even mows in the fkin rain .. grrr

 

[Robin]

I don't know what to think. The video was pretty brutal, understandable in todays climate, but justifiable(?), I don't know. On first blush I say no.
Robin

 

[spat]

It's common knowledge. Watch the video and examine the facts. It meets the legal requirement. Why would they pay when no wrongdoing occurred? Stupid acts do not warrant a payday.

LOL, Cities pay every day when there is no legal wrong doing.

The entire point of "settling" lawsuits is that they are cheaper to settle than win.

 

[Chevusa]

LOL, Cities pay every day when there is no legal wrong doing.

The entire point of "settling" lawsuits is that they are cheaper to settle than win.

What’s to stop me from bringing frivolous suit against a different city every month? I’ll take whatever they offer and move on to the next. I’ll never have to work again!

 

[spat]

What’s to stop me from bringing frivolous suit against a different city every month? I’ll take whatever they offer and move on to the next. I’ll never have to work again!

Nothing but your personal integrity.

There are people who make a living doing that sort of thing.

 

[Pale Rider]

Maybe Darwin was right.

 

[Justincase]

If I don't know who it is, I don't open the door. That being said, I didn't watch the video cuz I don't wanna get pissed off so early in the day

 

[ManrisFrack]

Ryan Whitaker was shot three times in the back while on his knees attempting to surrender. Cops probably won't face discipline or criminal charges because he did have gun and did make a move out of the doorway. My first sentence will be exactly what a lawyer will say to a jury in a civil suit though.

Good cautionary tale for the rest of us. Know who the fuck is there before you open the damn door. If you don't have a way to gather this intel, install something ASAP. The cop had the light in Whitaker's face almost as soon as the door was open - he had neither the senses nor the time to accurately assess the situation and that was a crucial link in the chain of events that lead to his death.

One more point - the cop shot him and ended his life. That is fact. Skipping that fact and saying Whitaker's actions killed him is dishonest and shows a serious bias.

 

[Doc8404]

Surprised at those saying he was aggressive.
Surprised of the pussification of people your age.
Aggressive. LMAO.

 

[Chevusa]

Surprised at those saying he was aggressive.
Surprised of the pussification of people your age.
Aggressive. LMAO.

*Charging at someone*

He came out of that doorway like he was gonna fuck someone up

He was aggressive even if he didn't have the gun

Add in a deadly weapon and you see the results

Make better choices

He didn't expect his would-be victim to be armed. They were. He paid the price.

 

[Pale Rider]

One more point - the cop shot him and ended his life. That is fact. Skipping that fact and saying Whitaker's actions killed him is dishonest and shows a serious bias.

He died as a direct result of his own stupid actions. Denying that shows a serious bias.

 

[Doc8404]

Yes, I agree he should not have opened the door like he did. Maybe he looked through the peephole, didn’t see anyone, I would’ve kept the door shut but none of us were there.

everyone has opinions. To call what he did aggressive, I guess we have been in different situations. That’s how our personal opinions are formed.

 

[ManrisFrack]

He died as a direct result of his own stupid actions. Denying that shows a serious bias.

No one is claiming that Whitaker's actions didn't play a crucial part in the outcome.

I am claiming that Whitaker did not shoot himself in the back three times.

The sentences, "He killed himself," and "His actions and his actions alone caused his death," are demonstrably false.

Jumping to one narrative or side while ignoring facts is one of the reasons shit goes sideways on this forum and in this country. We're better than this.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No one is claiming that Whitaker's actions didn't play a crucial part in the outcome.

I am claiming that Whitaker did not shoot himself in the back three times.

The sentences, "He killed himself," and "His actions and his actions alone caused his death," are demonstrably false.

Jumping to one narrative or side while ignoring facts is one of the reasons shit goes sideways on this forum and in this country. We're better than this.

I will say this. He shouldn’t have gotten shot in the back after going to his knee, raising his arm, and attempting to throw the gun back into the apartment. I didn’t really see that on first glance but saw it on the 2nd watching in slow mo.

But... Knowing what we all know that in the past decade, cops tend to shoot at just the sight of a gun or what they think is a gun when in reality, it’s just a sandwich, his actions got himself killed. That’s a fact. Because if he would not have gone out the door like Billy Bad Ass with a gun in his hand to intimidate the one who knocked on his door, he would have been alive.

 

[John Stark]

The guy opened the door and lunged at the cop before he even realized it was a cop. He looked like he was shot out of a cannon. This is a fact of the situation and not up for debate. Go back and watch the video with your eyes open this time.

I've noticed that you go on and on about how you refuse to wear a mask; on that I do agree with you.

However, I wonder how well you could possibly breathe with your nose firmly planted in some cop's ass 24/7.

Open eyes, indeed.

 

[Pale Rider]

However, I wonder how well you could possibly breathe with your nose firmly planted in some cop's ass 24/7.

I'm not quite sure what that means, but it sounds like you are just being insulting for the sole purpose of being insulting. That's not a very classy way to reply to someone who is merely expressing his opinion, as we all have the right to do.

 

[repete]

I will say this. He shouldn’t have gotten shot in the back after going to his knee, raising his arm, and attempting to throw the gun back into the apartment. I didn’t really see that on first glance but saw it on the 2nd watching in slow mo.

But... Knowing what we all know that in the past decade, cops tend to shoot at just the sight of a gun or what they think is a gun when in reality, it’s just a sandwich, his actions got himself killed. That’s a fact. Because if he would not have gone out the door like Billy Bad Ass with a gun in his hand to intimidate the one who knocked on his door, he would have been alive.

What if? He would still be alive if he hadn't answered the door at all. He could still be alive if she answered the door. He could still be alive if two other cops knocked on the door, lots of what if's and could of!

 

[Jmac00]

well, it looks like a white guy, so no one cares, move on, nothing to see here

 

[Mosinitis]

He was placing the gun on the ground when he was shot. I can't believe they shot him.

 

[Cooolone]

The presence of a firearm is not illegal, especially when going to a home at late hours. The presence of a firearm is not a threat either. A person has a right to be in possession of such, and all things in context.... This is a bad, very bad shooting!

That said, the assessment is made watching a video, I wasn't there, nor was I "in" the situation or moment. The split second from crouching to shooting could cost the officer(s) their lives. So it reverts to a judgement and reactionary call. One in which, LE is given wide berth. Of course not in today's world.

Some takes from watching the video...

1. Why the fuck would you open the door at late hours in such a manner? My mind says crack the door, foot behind it, yes - ready to go, but still reserved because you heard the knock but nobody was seen... So you open door, but not like that.

2. I'm definitely not opening the door wide like that, providing no coverage or defense to my front.

3. The responding officers were a bit quick, and the shooter having shot the victim in the back is not going to fly.

4. Not sure how this isn't a SWAT type call and the caller being investigated. The way the guy opened the door tells me there had to be some expectation of trouble. I bet the caller went previously to bang on the door and bitch about noise before calling the cops on the neighbors. You don't call the cops because you need to get sleep, sorry! That's a bunch of bullshit right there and there's blood on the callers hands, period!

Anyways, just my observations...
Carry on!

 

[Marine Cpl]

What if? He would still be alive if he hadn't answered the door at all. He could still be alive if she answered the door. He could still be alive if two other cops knocked on the door, lots of what if's and could of!

And he would still be alive if police never existed. If they were out are lunch during that hour. If the caller’s phone broke.

I fail to see what your point is.

 

[GOPerfect]

Legally? This will go down as a good shoot on the behalf of the Police.

Seems from an outside perspective, with a very short video, I think I would have done things a bit different.

If you all don't mind, I will share a small story, an incident I was involved with years ago...


I was sent to Germany in 2007 as an MP in the Ansbach DE area. I had received a call in regards to an American Service member who was, allegedly, pointing a gun out the window of his car at German Nationals. We were able to obtain his on Post residence through the vehicle registration.

We arrived at his barracks room, knocked on the door and announced ourselves as Military Police. My partner and I had our sidearms in hand, mine was at the ready, my partners was at his side. The Soldier opened the door and had the gun in his hand. We ordered him to drop the gun and get on the ground, he hesitated a bit, ordered him a second time and he complied.

The "gun" turned out to be an airsoft gun, the Soldier was quite drunk and did not understand our commands, it never crossed his mind that what he was doing was all that bad. We did not shoot him, hell, we never even charged him. I made him stomp on the air soft pistol until it was completely smashed. We informed his command of the incident and never reported it on the blotter.

Many different results can occur from a single situation. All depends on who responds to said incident.

In this case, the officer deemed it necessary to shoot the game player.

The game player deemed it necessary to answer the door to the Police knocking with a gun.

 

[GOPerfect]

So say you, lets wait and find out for sure. May not be any criminal charges but the city will probably be paying big bucks to make this go away.

This will go down as "good shoot for sure. Will the family get paid? Possibly.

 

[Chevusa]

Legally? This will go down as a good shoot on the behalf of the Police.

Seems from an outside perspective, with a very short video, I think I would have done things a bit different.

If you all don't mind, I will share a small story, an incident I was involved with years ago...


I was sent to Germany in 2007 as an MP in the Ansbach DE area. I had received a call in regards to an American Service member who was, allegedly, pointing a gun out the window of his car at German Nationals. We were able to obtain his on Post residence through the vehicle registration.

We arrived at his barracks room, knocked on the door and announced ourselves as Military Police. My partner and I had our sidearms in hand, mine was at the ready, my partners was at his side. The Soldier opened the door and had the gun in his hand. We ordered him to drop the gun and get on the ground, he hesitated a bit, ordered him a second time and he complied.

The "gun" turned out to be an airsoft gun, the Soldier was quite drunk and did not understand our commands, it never crossed his mind that what he was doing was all that bad. We did not shoot him, hell, we never even charged him. I made him stomp on the air soft pistol until it was completely smashed. We informed his command of the incident and never reported it on the blotter.

Many different results can occur from a single situation. All depends on who responds to said incident.

In this case, the officer deemed it necessary to shoot the game player.

The game player deemed it necessary to answer the door to the Police knocking with a gun.

Quite a different situation, at a very different time.

What would you have done in a split second if he opened the door and charged you like was done here?

 

[GOPerfect]

Quite a different situation, at a very different time.

What would you have done in a split second if he opened the door and charged you like was done here?

Without a doubt, much, much different times indeed. I am not sure what I would have done. Hard to armchair QB with small videos.

If I were standing where the shooting cop stood, maybe just throw my weight on him?

Again, too difficult to toss myself into this situation.

I am not blaming the shooter, his eyes, his view and his judgement. I am okay with his actions...

 

[Doc8404]

@Chevusa

Charged at the police?

wow. Did you watch the film on 4x?

 

[Chevusa]

@Chevusa

Charged at the police?

wow. Did you watch the film on 4x?

Ok we get it. You are blinded by your hate for cops. What a hero you are. He literally shot out of that door so fast he didn't even realize his would be victim was a cop until it was too late. He never saw the partner who rightfully and legally smoked him. This is all on video. There is no debate. And yes, we know, Orange Man Bad.

Dismissed.

 

[repete]

And he would still be alive if police never existed. If they were out are lunch during that hour. If the caller’s phone broke.

I fail to see what your point is.

Your right, my point? Think about it, you'll get it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It’s kind of irrelevant nonetheless. Bottom line, you don’t display your gun, you don’t get shot for that gun. It really is that simple.

 

[meketrefe]

He was uncuffed and he was white so no worries.
.....
In the current climate only an idiot comes out with a gun out.