Elwood
.223 Rem
That’s what I figured, bouncing around in an armored truck all day, the ceramic may not hold up over time
the Responsible Body Armor Possession Act
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spat
.950 JDJ
I have an AR500 plate I use at the range that has stopped tens of thousands of rounds of various calibers. I can't imagine it would be any less effective if it were covered in rubber and stuck in a plate carrier.Are steel plates the best option in most cases?
No
Do they work?
Yes. There are literally hundreds of YouTube videos on them.
Everything is a balance. Maybe someone is on a tight budget and they can only afford $300 all in. It's steel plates or nothing.
Steel has advantage of being durable bouncing around in a trunk for years as an example, a very long life span. Etc.
I have a set of steel plates. I'm happy with them. Hope I never need them but I'm glad they're there in case.
If I ever buy a 2nd set I will get something like this
LAPG 10" x 12" Level IV Ceramic Ballistic Armor Rifle Plate
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I also can't imagine it would be any more effective if I sent it to a lab for NIJ certification.
As for compromise, I doubt any of us have all the best equipment money can buy. So we are all making compromises. We just prioritize things differently.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Yup cause I said it wouldn't stop rounds. But hey nice try
If you care so much, you should buy him a nice set.
I mean i showed him where to get some without breaking the bank
Let's not forget one of his reasons for buying rifle targets instead of actual body armor was
"Inexpensive level IV wasn't a thing at the time"
Yet now it is, and hes still telling people to buy rifle targets instead
Imagine having a round get stopped but dying from bleeding from spawling
Stuckinny
.44 mag
So what is the deal with this stuff? Been eyeing it for a few months now
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Concealable Multi-Threat Vest Level IIIA
This comfortable, concealable body armor vest is made from high quality materials, can stop bullets, and is also strike and slash resistant.
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So what is the deal with this stuff? Been eyeing it for a few months now
Concealable Multi-Threat Vest Level IIIA
This comfortable, concealable body armor vest is made from high quality materials, can stop bullets, and is also strike and slash resistant.
Good for pistol. No rifle protection
Again, I've said multiple times in this thread if I were to get a 2nd set of plates there are now very reasonably priced ceramic or ceramic alloy plates available that are new to the market.
Anytime I've ever told anyone to get steel plates I always advise them to get the full coating that is designed to catch the fragmentation. It's worth the extra $ because you'll just stop a bullet only to be gashed and lacerated by fragmentation and that would be a crappy way to die
The full buildup coating works
spat
.950 JDJ
I wasn't specifically addressing your comments.Yup cause I said it wouldn't stop rounds. But hey nice try
I was just pointing out that unlike an armor that relies on a complex structure like Kevlar, it is a waste of money to pay extra for NIJ certification for steel.
The only difference between a cheap target and a high quality steel body armor plate is the spall coating. IIRC NIJ doesn't test for spall at all.
So an uncertified soft armor entails a bit more risk, but for steel there really isn't any.
The only things that matter for steel are thickness (which anyone can measure easily), composition (is it really AR500) and the spall coating which NIJ doesn't test anyway.
If you can't trust your source about the steel being AR500 then you wouldn't be able to trust them about an NIJ rating either.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
DO NOT ALLOW THIS LAW TO GIVE PROTECTION TO PRIVILEGED CLASSES AND LEAVE THE BLACK MEN DEFENSELESS.
ALSO REPEAL THE SAFE ACT THAT ALLOWS ONLY PRIVILEGED CLASSES AND THE
ELITE TO BE PROPERLY ARMED.
BLACK LIVES MATTER!!
ALSO REPEAL THE SAFE ACT THAT ALLOWS ONLY PRIVILEGED CLASSES AND THE
ELITE TO BE PROPERLY ARMED.
BLACK LIVES MATTER!!
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I have ceramics that I got from my buddy that's in the industry for a steal. I certainly wont be replacing mine every 5 years. Ceramics don't expire like milk. They get damaged over the years from hard use. Mine sits in a corner at the ready most of the time. And here's the inside scoop. Those expiration dates have more to do with the length of contracts. If you logically think about it, it makes sense. There's no way you could give an expiration date on something that could be compromised in a few days after purchase.
They say they have a 5 year shelf life and should be replaced. You might know more than the companies that make them though.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
He's not trying to sell 40,000 of them every 5 years.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
No. I'm just friends with a guy that tests and distributes them via large scale contracts.
spat
.950 JDJ
Does his company have a 5 year warranty on the steel plates too ?
I bet it's not a 100 year warranty, even though the plates will still be fine after that.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
No expiration date. Steel will last forever (and is also a perfectly fine for protection).
Steel vs ceramic... I'd take ceramic. Trnds to be about half the weight. Pounds = pain.
Elwood
.223 Rem
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Same. Ceramic definitely has the weight advantage. All just depends on what you're looking for and like with everything else your budget.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Are they having a sale ...
They are always having a sale haha.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Thoughts on this package.
safelifedefense.com
The Complete Body Armor Bundle
This body armor bundle includes one tactical carrier, two Level IIIA+ soft armor panels, one concealed carrier, and two Level IV ICW rifle plates.
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Thoughts on this package.
The Complete Body Armor Bundle
This body armor bundle includes one tactical carrier, two Level IIIA+ soft armor panels, one concealed carrier, and two Level IV ICW rifle plates.
Seems very, very pricey to me...
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Even for all of that? What would you recommend then?
Okay, so what the package includes seems decent, still a bit pricey. I did not look close enough.
Doc, what is it that you are looking for?
I have my soft vest for work. The inserts fit into a carrier. I can take the BP inserts out, hook up the straps and wear the soft under my clothing. In the vest carrier, I wear the soft armor on the outside of my cloths. Without the carrier, under the cloths.
I purchased recently, a kit for battle(?). I ordered that kit through Spartan armor. Comes with the front and rear plates as well as side cummerbund plates. Come complete with a carrier.
For the Spartan armor, I paid $225. For my soft armor for work, I paid $300 and the carrier was $125. For a shift type thing or a street battle during the Zombie uprising, I plan on using only my Spartan Armor.
Flex Fused Core® Level IIIA | Spartan DL Concealment Package
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Soft.
AR500 Body Armor Level III | High Mobility Package
Stay mobile while being protected with our Level III Steel Swimmers Cut body armor and plate carrier package. Get our Spartan™ Omega™ AR500 Steel Body Armor Plates, packaged with our Sentinel Plate Carrier.
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