Understanding this may be our only chance to revert back to what was before ridiculous laws were passed, it certainly hasn't had a great track record to reflect upon. I believe the last SCOTUS 2A case reviewed was Heller, 10 years ago, and 10 cases were punted on earlier this year. I've read that the 10 cases were punted upon because the structure of the court with an increasingly unreliable chief justice would have been a net loss for the 2A, and realized by more conservative justices. Could our hopes be raised due to a 6th conservative judge appointment? Sure. Would I ever believe this would be at the forefront of the court? Unlikely. Lastly, the number of cases they could review annually comes nowhere near the number of laws passed annually restricting the 2a. It's a light at the end of the tunnel for sure, but the only way to truly fix it is with your own 2 feet, a conviction to get actively involved to change minds and vote.
Trump promises best year ever next year - vows to protect gun rights
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
In many ways due to the debacle that is 2020 it's a realistic goal.
There are a lot of ways to define "best ever".
Record stock market highs ? Certainly achievable.
Record improvement in unemployment ? Starting from the 2020 high, certainly achievable.
Gun rights ? With RBG gone, a landmark SCOTUS case better than Heller would be a possibility.
There are a lot of things where 2020 set terrible low points, just bouncing back from them to "normal" could set record improvements.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Something about I’ve heard this before comes to mind. He didn’t do it when they had 100% power why now? Oh wait for my vote? He’ll get it anyway but I don’t expect much more than I have now.
Onegunnotenough
.40 S&W
Yeah,right on. Just like national reciprocity ! That worked out well...NOT
The bill is pending in Congress. Trump cannot pass it on his own. If Congress takes action he will sign it.
Onegunnotenough
.40 S&W
I understand. He could have been more vocal and pushed it into more news cycles. That shelved legislation will never go anywhere.
Might be better keeping it out of the news. We’ll see what happens in term 2. He can do a lot more and be more aggressive the 2nd time through. Especially if house and senate are R.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
All while being dragged through the mud and attacked 24/7, 365.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Regarding Mexico paying for the wall, some of you guys and the American people are a little slow. Do you actually really think that Trump though that he was going to receive a check from Mexico paid in full with a notation on the bottom left of the check that had “For Wall” written on it?
Really? That’s what you thought that he thought?
Come on people. Use your heads. He knew he was going to get money from Mexico from other regulations.
It’s no different then when we say that we pay for illegals that use our services. You directly aren’t getting sent a check to pay for when José Martinez goes to the emergency room.
Really? That’s what you thought that he thought?
Come on people. Use your heads. He knew he was going to get money from Mexico from other regulations.
It’s no different then when we say that we pay for illegals that use our services. You directly aren’t getting sent a check to pay for when José Martinez goes to the emergency room.
Trump, I'll vote for you but don't yank my fucking chain Mr. Bumpstock ban.
^This can not be underestimated. With effectively zero support of Congress it’s amazing that he got anything done. Cocaine Mitch and the Senate are worthless and weak. The dems and media have derided and actively opposed everything Trump for has done for 4 years. He has acted on things within his power without them. Getting hung up on bump stock ban? Really?
Criticize Trump all you want. That’s what we’re supposed to do with our leaders to keep them in check but it’s something the left never does. Did you ever hear dems or their media criticize Barry? They are dangerous unthinking ideologues that will blindly destroy America and wonder what happened. They have to be stopped and like it or not Trump is your only choice.
drowhawk
.44 mag
It's so sad to see so many of you falling for the two-party con. It's almost like some of you think one is actually different from the other.
Don’t believe for a moment you are more enlightened than us Neanderthals. We know the two parties are virtually the same and that they’re playing us against each other. What is your suggestion for changing the two party system that has evolved over the last 244 years? Who is your third party candidate who has a winning platform to change the establishment? How are you driving change to the two party system?
I know several supposed conservatives who sat out the 2016 election because they couldn’t vote for Trump. Like 2016 you only get 3 choices in 2020:
- Vote Trump
- Vote Biden
- Don’t vote
Pontificating otherwise without taking action to change things is nothing but noise.
I know several supposed conservatives who sat out the 2016 election because they couldn’t vote for Trump. Like 2016 you only get 3 choices in 2020:
- Vote Trump
- Vote Biden
- Don’t vote
Pontificating otherwise without taking action to change things is nothing but noise.
drowhawk
.44 mag
Whatever candidate gets the most votes and wins the seat has the winning platform. Enough of this "third party will never win" nonsense. If people vote for them, they will win. It really is that simple.
Personally I think Johnson/Weld was a joke in 2016 but I think the Jorgensen/Cohen ticket is a very strong one. The other option is to stop obsessing over the presidential seat as there are other elected officials running under independent tickets.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
I dont think he "thought" anything at all.
Today a third party candidate can’t win because they either don’t have a winning platform or don’t have enough exposure (ie money) to reach the masses with their message. Doesn’t mean they can’t in the future. I think it’s fair to say that enough people are fed up with the current two party BS that they would welcome and consider another contender. Unfortunately it’s all about money on the national level.
drowhawk
.44 mag
I disagree, respectfully. We are in an age of information that is quite literally available at our fingertips. A simple google search by a fed up voter is all it would take for them to read about independent platforms. Libertarians never thought they'd hit 50k votes for governor again. They did and now we have libertarians working at the local level all over the state. Ballot access is the real issue here. I think the idea that more money and TV exposure leads to a higher probability of winning just isn't true anymore.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Sounds nice.
I just wish that I could believe that logic and sensibility would triumph over unadulterated hatred and that Trump would win. I still do not believe that.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
There are only 2 people in the entire world that have even a remote chance to "get the most votes and win the seat".
A vote for anyone else, well, why not just write your own name in ? I'm the only person who I will agree with on 100% of policy (and even then I may change my mind).
Elwood
.223 Rem
Not so fast slappy, he hasn’t lived up to his end of the bargain when it comes to the 2nd.
How so?
Plastic range toys that no serious person would use for a legitimate purpose hardly count for anything.
They can have plastic toys. We have our guns.
The fact is the 2A remains and is strong. This would not be the case without him. If Biden wins they are coming to your home to round em up.
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Elwood
.223 Rem
For what ? Everything I had except my work pistol went down in a terrible accident on the Hudson.
I learned a valuable lesson, never shoot skeet on the River in a tropical storm.
I was barely able to make it to shore.
They'll be by just to make sure........
Elwood
.223 Rem
drowhawk
.44 mag
There is literally no factual basis in your first statement above. The second statement is self-defeating based on a perceived outcome. It's the same, simple logic I used to encourage NY businesses to defy FUAC on. If every business refused the EO's and every law enforcement officer (or even a simple majority) refused to acknowledge the EO's as law (as they are NOT laws), we would not have the circus going on that we have now.
You do you, I'll do me.
I don't require masks in my business and I'm voting libertarian.
I AM taking action by defying unconstitutional orders and voting with the candidate that I believe is best suited to be president. I will continue to DO what I feel is right. I'm done meeting the status quo and taking life at face value. I believe change needs to start with individuals.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
My first statement (that there are only 2 people with any realistic chance of winning) is 100% correct.
What are the current odds for Trump winning ? Biden ? Everyone else on the planet put together ?
You are correct that nobody else has a chance of winning unless people believe that they have a chance of winning. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
The thing about a self fulfilling prophecy is that while it sucks, that doesn't mean it's not real. The fact is that without a "D" or an "R" next to your name you don't have a chance just because most people believe you don't have a chance without the "D" or "R".
If you have a plan to change that public perception, I'm all ears, but just to pretend that it doesn't exist, or that you ignoring it will eventually make it go away is not a plan.
Yep, if everyone refused to follow the illegal EOs, they would cease to have any force. But people *won't* do that, so they *do* have force.
Pretending otherwise is not productive.
While I am a fan boy, yes, I think he has been an amazing President....
I have to ask, why now? What about the past three years? Just curious.
Granted, I did not elect him for his stance on guns,
I have to ask, why now? What about the past three years? Just curious.
Granted, I did not elect him for his stance on guns,
@spat is correct... 100%! Either Trump or Biden will win. No one else, right now has a chance. None, nil, nada, zip.
drowhawk
.44 mag
I will have to agree to disagree.
We can talk about the hypothetical odds of a candidate winning or we can talk about the candidates themselves. I am compelled to vote for the person I feel would best suit the role. It would be dishonest of me as an American to do anything else. My votes a dud in NY anyway unless I vote Democrat (which I wouldn't do). I'm going to vote for the pro-gun candidate.
We can talk about the hypothetical odds of a candidate winning or we can talk about the candidates themselves. I am compelled to vote for the person I feel would best suit the role. It would be dishonest of me as an American to do anything else. My votes a dud in NY anyway unless I vote Democrat (which I wouldn't do). I'm going to vote for the pro-gun candidate.