Official 2020 Presidential Debate Thread

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REF said:
The non-lifetime politician, not politically correct, driven persona is definitely what’s needed in Washington. I just don’t think it’s him. A more refrained, more mature, less social media attentive Trump would not hurt the country. I can’t stand him, to me, he’s an idiot. But I don’t have to like him to vote for him. Just get shit done and STFU. But he can’t. Unfortunately my vote is against Biden, not for Trump.
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Half of the people on this forum would be a better choice for President than either of those two. The biggest problem that this country has is that none of these people can win. Our political process has been usurped on the national and state levels. If the powers that be don't want you in the club, you won't be - unless you're a rich, larger than life guy like Trump. Manage to get yourself elected to the House on a fluke and they'll find leverage on you or install someone else in two years.

Our government and politics is broken. That's what got Trump elected. That's why all this ridiculous marxist, authoritarian ideology and critical race theory is even being seriously entertained by anyone. The whole country can feel something is wrong and they're retreating toward their own priors to find a solution.
 
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REF said:
I’ll be completely honest, the fact that there are 330 million people in this country, and these are the 2 best candidates for the job is beyond my comprehension
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Trump may be rough around the edges, but frankly that's one of the reasons why I support him. He's not a career politician and is not going to act the way people think a president should act. He's a doer, and he gets things done that this country needs.
 
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It's not hard to believe. Watch the movie idiocracy. This is a direct result and an inevitable outcome of a marginally educated populous being told they should express their political beliefs at the ballot box. It's no secret I think giving the vote to everybody is a destructive concept. And I mean that for republicans and democrats and independents. If you're profoundly ignorant, prone to partisanship, think the other time are inhuman (and I've seen some comments by some here alluding to that), you're part of the problem.

In other words: ask the average teenager if the government should support a new jobs program or if it should instead spend that money giving all the teens gift cards to the mall and new iphones.
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Uhhh

Not sure
 
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Has anyone noticed Biden's EYES were BLINKING at a very high rate ?

An unmistakable sign of AMPHETAMINE abuse.
 
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There were multiple candidates. Those who wanted to run, ran. The country could have voted in any number of these candidates below.
  • Jeb Bush—Former Governor of Florida
  • Ben Carson—Neurosurgeon
  • Chris Christie—Governor of New Jersey
  • Ted Cruz—U.S. Senator, Texas
  • Jack Fellure
  • Carly Fiorina—Former Hewlett-Packard CEO
  • Jim Gilmore—Former Governor of Virginia, 2008 presidential candidate
  • Mike Huckabee—Former Governor of Arkansas, 2008 presidential candidate
  • John Kasich—Governor of Ohio
  • Andy Martin
  • Rand Paul—U.S. Senator, Kentucky
  • Marco Rubio—U.S. Senator, Florida
  • Rick Santorum—Former U.S. Senator, Pennsylvania; 2012 presidential candidate


You could have or did vote for them. They lost and didn’t get the most votes. It’s now narrowed down to two. What sense would it make to continue to keep them on the ticket?
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The how we ended up with these 2 isn't the point.

The point is that we did, and any system that leads to that result is fatally broken.

I say we change the requirements drastically, for a lot of stuff.

Bring back the "landowner" requirement for voters. Sure it will disenfranchise a lot of good people, but for every smart well informed voter it eliminates it will get 10 members of the "free shit army". If I could sacrifice my vote to cancel 10 Biden voters I'd do it in a heartbeat for this next election.

Then change the requirements for a high school diploma. Some people *need* to be left behind if we are going to survive. A graduation rate over 75% means you are wasting time on people who cannot ever be educated sufficiently and you have dumbed down your standards to make the diploma meaningless.

Change the requirement to be considered an adult to "high school diploma" not "managed to not die for 18 years".

If you're a genius who graduates at 15, welcome to adulthood.

If you're 35 and basic literacy still confounds you, sit at the kids table.

You get to vote, drive, drink, and everything else once you get to be an adult, oh and that means you face responsibility for your actions too.
 
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spat said:
The how we ended up with these 2 isn't the point.

The point is that we did, and any system that leads to that result is fatally broken.

I say we change the requirements drastically, for a lot of stuff.

Bring back the "landowner" requirement for voters. Sure it will disenfranchise a lot of good people, but for every smart well informed voter it eliminates it will get 10 members of the "free shit army". If I could sacrifice my vote to cancel 10 Biden voters I'd do it in a heartbeat for this next election.

Change the requirements for a high school diploma. Some people *need* to be left behind if we are going to survive. A graduation rate over 75% means you are wasting time on people who cannot ever be educated sufficiently and you have dumbed down your standards to make the diploma meaningless.

Change the requirement to be considered an adult to "high school diploma" not "managed to not die for 18 years".

If you're a genius who graduates at 15, welcome to adulthood.

If you're 35 and basic literacy still confounds you, sit at the kids table.

You get to vote, drive, drink, and everything else once you get to be an adult, oh and that means you face responsibility for your actions too.
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I agree that in order to vote you have to be a landowner (maybe make an exception for a military veteran). One has to have real skin in the game otherwise we just raid the treasury to get "free stuff."
 
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spat said:
The how we ended up with these 2 isn't the point.

The point is that we did, and any system that leads to that result is fatally broken.

I say we change the requirements drastically, for a lot of stuff.

Bring back the "landowner" requirement for voters. Sure it will disenfranchise a lot of good people, but for every smart well informed voter it eliminates it will get 10 members of the "free shit army". If I could sacrifice my vote to cancel 10 Biden voters I'd do it in a heartbeat for this next election.

Then change the requirements for a high school diploma. Some people *need* to be left behind if we are going to survive. A graduation rate over 75% means you are wasting time on people who cannot ever be educated sufficiently and you have dumbed down your standards to make the diploma meaningless.

Change the requirement to be considered an adult to "high school diploma" not "managed to not die for 18 years".

If you're a genius who graduates at 15, welcome to adulthood.

If you're 35 and basic literacy still confounds you, sit at the kids table.

You get to vote, drive, drink, and everything else once you get to be an adult, oh and that means you face responsibility for your actions too.
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I agree that in order to vote you have to be a landowner (maybe make an exception for a military veteran). One has to have real skin in the game otherwise we just raid the treasury to get "free stuff."
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Robert A. Heinlein rules.
 
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ManrisFrack said:
Half of the people on this forum would be a better choice for President than either of those two. The biggest problem that this country has is that none of these people can win. Our political process has been usurped on the national and state levels. If the powers that be don't want you in the club, you won't be - unless you're a rich, larger than life guy like Trump. Manage to get yourself elected to the House on a fluke and they'll find leverage on you or install someone else in two years.

Our government and politics is broken. That's what got Trump elected. That's why all this ridiculous marxist, authoritarian ideology and critical race theory is even being seriously entertained by anyone. The whole country can feel something is wrong and they're retreating toward their own priors to find a solution.
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That’s kind of what I’ve been saying. I feel politically homeless partly because of my own doing, but more because both parties are getting more polarized and discourse has followed suit. I can’t go anywhere without seeing crap saying that conservatives are racist or that liberals are revolutionaries.
 
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Jcp123 said:
That’s kind of what I’ve been saying. I feel politically homeless partly because of my own doing, but more because both parties are getting more polarized and discourse has followed suit. I can’t go anywhere without seeing crap saying that conservatives are racist or that liberals are revolutionaries.
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The parties are just reflections of the country reverting to its baser self. Tribalism is easy for the masses and they naturally gravitate toward it. Dumb down their education, give them bread and circuses and a regular diet of doom porn via the "news" and outrage news and you've got an angry populous that is quite happy to denigrate the other side as not even worthy of humanity. It's an ancient concept, applied many times in history and happening now. It's always there to an extent, but the US has thrown itself wholesale into this. This country is utterly divided and what is laughably naive is the idea that any president could unite us. Trump can't unite this country even if he tried, and neither can Biden.

In fact, I'm confident that regardless of who wins, this country will be in a shittier spot four years from now than it is today. We may be on an irrecoverable path.
 
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Western culture is dying off, because it doesn't reproduce at sufficient rate. Marriages are no longer a norm for new generations. It's not just the U.S. problem. It is also a problem throughout Europe and Russia. At least in Russia they are trying to do something about it.
Morals, family values became a taboo subject in the U.S. Whenever someone mentions them, it is met with a ridicule. Morals are made into enemy of Freedom.
Political correctness replaced inner sense of right and wrong.
 
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