Hey Libertarians! Yer Next!

[Robin]

Now the libertarians?! Facebook blocks Ron Paul from managing his own page claiming it goes against 'community standards'

First, they came for the conservatives, and nobody said anything. Ok, so that’s not true, we s

twitchy.com

 

[Podmonkey]

"How can you accept social suppression
This weak state of mind in our time
I demand release from hypocrisy
I'd rather die than be held down, forced down

Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire

I'm on the threshold of revolution
I'd rather burn than be held down, forced down

Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire

Locked in chains of this sovereignty
Let me be 'cause I long to be
Free!
Free!
Free!

Locked in chains of this sovereignty
Let me be 'cause I long to be
Free!
Free!
Free!

Unrestrained determination
Set ablaze for liberation
Set ablaze
Set ablaze
Set ablaze
Set ablaze

Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire
Freedom
Freedom

Freedom or fire"

 

[drowhawk]

Libertarians have been consistently censored on social media for the past few years. This is literally nothing new. Conservatives are just finally joining the club.

We're next.... psshh....


We were the first targets!

 

[Robin]

Of course you have numerous examples of that. Who has been defining people as Libertarians, who has been censoring them? Many people on this forum identify as Libertarians, and many others could be considered the same just by the content of their postings. Bullshit!
Robin

 

[drowhawk]

Of course you have numerous examples of that. Who has been defining people as Libertarians, who has been censoring them? Many people on this forum identify as Libertarians, and many others could be considered the same just by the content of their postings. Bullshit!
Robin

I'm a mod. on a Libertarian page that has been suspended over 30 times in the last four years. So yeah, we're quite used to the muzzle. We've gotten quite good at manipulating the AI and keeping our pages going. Most recently, we have abandoned the FB/Twitter/Instagram platforms all together.

Again, I'm no stranger to being targeted for censorship based on my political views. In fact it was Trump supporters that targeted our pages early on in 2017 because we were critical of him.

 

[Robin]

I just don't understand what a libertarian could post that would bring on censorship. In the arena of politics they are kind of peace and love. Are their actually some that have a more violent or militant plan? This is all new to me. Hell, I even think most Americans are Libertarian by nature, kind of live and let live, get the G out of my life, well use to be .
Robin

 

[drowhawk]

I just don't understand what a libertarian could post that would bring on censorship. In the arena of politics they are kind of peace and love. Are their actually some that have a more violent or militant plan? This is all new to me. Hell, I even think most Americans are Libertarian by nature, kind of live and let live, get the G out of my life, well use to be .
Robin

We had memes that were critical of military and law enforcement. Right-wing siege on free speech began shortly thereafter. Turns out if you don't like LE or the military, they get offended.

I agree most Americans have Libertarian principles they hold true. Unfortunately, identifying as a Libertarian requires a little more than just "warm and fuzzy" rhetoric to make you feel better. You actually have to go out and ya know, be a Libertarian. I petitioned for the party back when we didn't have ballot access and it looks like I'll soon be doing the same thing just to run local candidates. The state has arbitrarily changed the rules to become a political party. Again.

Most states move the goal posts closer, allowing independent parties more equal access to the ballot. I guess they think ballot access allows for a more fair voting system. Cuomo knows the Libertarian party is his biggest threat in NY since the GOP is all but dead. NY is the ONLY state to ever make ballot access more difficult. Why do you think that is?

 

[Blimey]

most Americans have Libertarian principles they hold true

Agree. The issue is where the rubber meets the road most end up just picking one of the two ingrained parties.

As for all this stuff recently, I bought twtr on a tip from a friend back in March. He and I both independently concluded it might be a good time to take gains. They're already down 15% since last week, but who really knows if that will be a long term problem for them or not. Boycotts are hard to predict as many don't gain traction.

 

[Celt]

The more they do it the better at this point. It will only motivate more people to get involved.

 

[Robin]

Agree. The issue is where the rubber meets the road most end up just picking one of the two ingrained parties.

As for all this stuff recently, I bought twtr on a tip from a friend back in March. He and I both independently concluded it might be a good time to take gains. They're already down 15% since last week, but who really knows if that will be a long term problem for them or not. Boycotts are hard to predict as many don't gain traction.

This from the socialized health care proponent.
Robin

 

[Robin]

We had memes that were critical of military and law enforcement. Right-wing siege on free speech began shortly thereafter. Turns out if you don't like LE or the military, they get offended.

I agree most Americans have Libertarian principles they hold true. Unfortunately, identifying as a Libertarian requires a little more than just "warm and fuzzy" rhetoric to make you feel better. You actually have to go out and ya know, be a Libertarian. I petitioned for the party back when we didn't have ballot access and it looks like I'll soon be doing the same thing just to run local candidates. The state has arbitrarily changed the rules to become a political party. Again.

Most states move the goal posts closer, allowing independent parties more equal access to the ballot. I guess they think ballot access allows for a more fair voting system. Cuomo knows the Libertarian party is his biggest threat in NY since the GOP is all but dead. NY is the ONLY state to ever make ballot access more difficult. Why do you think that is?

Okay, I still don't get it but, carry on.
Robin

 

[libertysnake]

The issue is freedom of speech we're running up against here. One man's hate speech, is another man's patriotic speech. This is why there aren't restrictions, or very few, on 1A. We don't want to draw the line, because drawing a line on what speech is allowed is dangerous.

The problem is that people are lazy as fuck. They don't want spend the time campaigning against things like hate speech, and would rather cut out the tongues of racists, even if the tongues of legitimate opposition are a consequence. That is precisely what I take issue with. Today's heated debate could be tomorrow's hate speech.

 

[Robin]

Create an issue where there is none and own the context. Thats what they do.
I will not participate!
Robin

 

[drowhawk]

Okay, I still don't get it but, carry on.
Robin

If I posted the "offensive" material on here it would likely be banned/censored for the same reason....

Hell I made fun of the thin blue line and got a post deleted...

You can't possibly know what's being censored when it's censored.

 

[Robin]

Up until the last few days people have always found an outlet on line to megaphone what has been censored. So..............
Robin

 

[Saltwater60]

They are not going after a political party they are going after free thinking Americans. I’ve heard it plenty of times all our problems stem from our individualism and it’s bad. If we thought more as a collective we could work together to solve these problems. The only collective thinking party is the liberals and that’s all that will be accepted.
Funny the press pushes this and a free press is taken away in many countries. You would think they would want to keep their jobs and freedom to report on what they want but I guess I’m talking about larger group think networks.

 

[Catskillkid]

They are not going after a political party they are going after free thinking Americans. I’ve heard it plenty of times all our problems stem from our individualism and it’s bad. If we thought more as a collective we could work together to solve these problems. The only collective thinking party is the liberals and that’s all that will be accepted.
Funny the press pushes this and a free press is taken away in many countries. You would think they would want to keep their jobs and freedom to report on what they want but I guess I’m talking about larger group think networks.

Today's journalists are just another set of useful idiots. Their heads will be on the chopping block right after the conservatives are purged.

 

[Saltwater60]

Today's journalists are just another set of useful idiots. Their heads will be on the chopping block right after the conservatives are purged.

Yes more of a talk show than facts. I agree. Give me the facts and I’ll make up my own damned mind.

 

[Blimey]

This from the socialized health care proponent.
Robin

Did you quote the wrong post...?

 

[Robin]

No
Robin

 

[Blimey]

No
Robin

*shrug* seems a touch off topic

 

[SonOfSun]

The only collective thinking party is the liberals

Hogwash.

Most strict adherent Christians are Republican. Christians are a huge amount of the Republican party so much so that the party stance on abortion etc. is dominated by it. You can't be much more into collective thinking than blind devotion to "sacred texts".

 

[GOPerfect]

I want so badly to join this conversation, but, without throwing jabs and insults, I am not sure I can join in.

I will say this, The Libertarian Party is not a viable Party in the US due to the culture of laws and regulations that bind all of society.

Until 10's of 1000's of laws and regulations are cancelled, the Libertarian party is nothing more than a website in the US.

 

[holdover]

The issue is freedom of speech we're running up against here. One man's hate speech, is another man's patriotic speech. This is why there aren't restrictions, or very few, on 1A. We don't want to draw the line, because drawing a line on what speech is allowed is dangerous.

The problem is that people are lazy as fuck. They don't want spend the time campaigning against things like hate speech, and would rather cut out the tongues of racists, even if the tongues of legitimate opposition are a consequence. That is precisely what I take issue with. Today's heated debate could be tomorrow's hate speech.

Wait,..... wait. Thier violence is freedom of speech , but our speech is violence? Did I get that right?

 

[Saltwater60]

Hogwash.

Most strict adherent Christians are Republican. Christians are a huge amount of the Republican party so much so that the party stance on abortion etc. is dominated by it. You can't be much more into collective thinking than blind devotion to "sacred texts".

There is much disagreement on this. The republicans party is made up of christians but doesn’t mean we all think a like. My point is and maybe it was clear is that liberals want to get rid of individualism as they see it a barrier to the socialism collective.
The church I go to has quite a few liberal thinkers and its doctrine adheres to the Bible 100%. Not all Christians supported Trump. Most republicans still believe in individual freedoms. Liberals believe in giving those up for the greater good. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

 

[Saltwater60]

I want so badly to join this conversation, but, without throwing jabs and insults, I am not sure I can join in.

I will say this, The Libertarian Party is not a viable Party in the US due to the culture of laws and regulations that bind all of society.

Until 10's of 1000's of laws and regulations are cancelled, the Libertarian party is nothing more than a website in the US.

Sounds good. We should also get rid of 100’s of thousands of unneeded government employees that are involved in enforcing these laws and regulations.

 

[Chicken Shoot]

Larry Sharpe and that Johnson asshole showed what the libtard party is all about. L:egalize all drugs, open borders and gun control. Larry was much better off not doing that one and only debate he did. They believe in the new green deal and are everything you'd expect of a democrap. Now .... ABOLISH ANY AND ALL POLITICAL PARTIES and America will return.

 

[Saltwater60]

Larry Sharpe and that Johnson asshole showed what the libtard party is all about. L:egalize all drugs, open borders and gun control. Larry was much better off not doing that one and only debate he did. They believe in the new green deal and are everything you'd expect of a democrap. Now .... ABOLISH ANY AND ALL POLITICAL PARTIES and America will return.

Funny I though libertarians were against government regulation but guns laws and green new deal are just fine.

 

[Robin]

Libertarian honcho has a one hour program everyday on a local radio station that I keep on all day in my shop. I'm not very impressed at all and can take issue with many things he is a proponent for. Doesn't sound all that much about less government to me.
Robin

 

[Scoot McGoot]

"How can you accept social suppression
This weak state of mind in our time
I demand release from hypocrisy
I'd rather die than be held down, forced down

Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire

I'm on the threshold of revolution
I'd rather burn than be held down, forced down

Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire

Locked in chains of this sovereignty
Let me be 'cause I long to be
Free!
Free!
Free!

Locked in chains of this sovereignty
Let me be 'cause I long to be
Free!
Free!
Free!

Unrestrained determination
Set ablaze for liberation
Set ablaze
Set ablaze
Set ablaze
Set ablaze

Freedom or fire
Freedom or fire
Freedom
Freedom

Freedom or fire"

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