Biden signs covid unemployment order .......

[spat]

So you get to do whatever you want by force, because you have money? Your a twisted fuck

what part of freedom didnt you learn in school?



Individual rights refer to the liberties of each individual to pursue life and goals without interference from other individuals or the government. Examples of individual rights include the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as stated in the United States Declaration of Independence.

Right.

And the employer has those same rights.

If you both find the relationship beneficial, then you have a job.

If *either* of you decides the relationship is not in your best interest, then it terminates.

That's what freedom looks like.

 

[spat]

because your requirements cannot supersede my rights to my body. what part of tyranny did you miss?

So, what can and can't an employer tell you ?

There *are* jobs where literally "getting fucked up the ass" is a requirement.

 

[holdover]

So I have to give up my rights to work for you because your a sick fucking man?

I have to wear a green thong to work because you find it amuseing?

 

[spat]

no they wouldnt. problem not solved problems just began

What problems ?

You have lots of rights.

Continued employment in that specific job is not one of them.

 

[holdover]

So, what can and can't an employer tell you ?

There *are* jobs where literally "getting fucked up the ass" is a requirement.

Not sure why you quit that job , but as long as you agree to it , your good to go.

An employer cannot dictate anything about my body. My being the active word describing possession. He cannot tell you to get an abortion, remove a tattoo, get a vaccination , have a finger removed so you can type faster .


When your rules infringe on my liberties

 

[holdover]

Ok I got things to do .

 

[Jmac00]

what are they fucking medical experts now because they give you a paycheck? Your going to take it up the ass because your boss tells you to?

The employer cant decide jack fucking shit when it come to my body period . end of story. they have no authority under the law to tell you do do so.

wow, are you really this dense, lets try simple terms. YOU ARE CORRECT, no one can force you to take vaccine or anything else, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET THROUGH YOUR HEAD IS, the company has the absolute right to protect itself and its employees, if the rules say you must get a vaccine to protect the company and its employees, then you have choice, take the vaccine or find new employment.

your basic premise is, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES BECAUSE YOU ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. your moral high ground take precedence over everyone elses safety.

 

[spat]

So I have to give up my rights to work for you because your a sick fucking man?

I have to wear a green thong to work because you find it amuseing?

There are a lot of jobs with a lot worse uniforms than a green thong.

Ever seen a Vegas show ?

If the job is to prance around on stage in peacock feathers and a thong, you do it or you don't get the paycheck.


You give up your right to free speech too.

Or do you not think someone should be able to be fired for telling the boss to go fuck themselves ?

 

[holdover]

Its not an absoute right if it infringes on the rights of individuals , See constitution

 

[Jmac00]

Not sure why you quit that job , but as long as you agree to it , your good to go.

An employer cannot dictate anything about my body. My being the active word describing possession. He cannot tell you to get an abortion, remove a tattoo, get a vaccination , have a finger removed so you can type faster .


When your rules infringe on my liberties

as a condition of employment he can

 

[spat]

Not sure why you quit that job , but as long as you agree to it , your good to go.

An employer cannot dictate anything about my body. My being the active word describing possession. He cannot tell you to get an abortion, remove a tattoo, get a vaccination , have a finger removed so you can type faster .


When your rules infringe on my liberties

They can *ask* anything they want.

You are free to say no.

They are free to stop signing the paychecks.

That's how freedom works.

 

[tony]

The real question is " Where is all the money for this ( these ) social programs going to come from ?" Why the people who are working and struggling to pay their bills will be taxed more. Sounds fair right???

And I say unemployment in this instance is a social program...

 

[holdover]

There are a lot of jobs with a lot worse uniforms than a green thong.

Ever seen a Vegas show ?

If the job is to prance around on stage in peacock feathers and a thong, you do it or you don't get the paycheck.


You give up your right to free speech too.

Or do you not think someone should be able to be fired for telling the boss to go fuck themselves ?

Yeah its a Vegas show, but the owner of a truck repair shop is crossing the line when he has his mechanics do it.

 

[Jmac00]

The thing is, you dont own me . you cant tell me jack shit.

LOL every boss, from 9am to 5pm owns you,

 

[spat]

Its not an absoute right if it infringes on the rights of individuals , See constitution

LOL, you should see what they require in the military. Half of those guys get vaccines they don’t even know what they are.

Don't like it, then don't enlist.

 

[tony]

^^^^ Been there, done that, and have the shot record to prove it... ^^^^

 

[spat]

Yeah its a Vegas show, but the owner of a truck repair shop is crossing the line when he has his mechanics do it.

He's an idiot if he has his mechanics do it.

An idiot that probably not have a business for long.

But he isn't violating anyone's rights.

 

[holdover]

They can *ask* anything they want.

You are free to say no.

They are free to stop signing the paychecks.

That's how freedom works.

100% correct! They can ask! No problems there. But firing them for refusing your request to altering thier body is way over the top.

Useing the power of the purse to force people to do what they dont want to do is tyrannical oppressive behavior .

 

[holdover]

He's an idiot if he has his mechanics do it.

An idiot that probably not have a business for long.

But he isn't violating anyone's rights.

so coercion is an Ok way to run a business? How does that work out in government?

 

[Modean]

100% correct! They can ask! No problems there. But firing them for refusing your request to altering thier body is way over the top.

Useing the power of the purse to force people to do what they dont want to do is tyrannical oppressive behavior .

That’s pretty much the definition of employment. Don’t like it? Open your own business and do it your way.

 

[spat]

So I have to give up my rights to work for you because your a sick fucking man?

I have to wear a green thong to work because you find it amuseing?

Also, you explicitly do *not* have a right to work for your employer.

That is where your argument breaks down.

 

[holdover]

That’s pretty much the definition of employment. Don’t like it? Open your own business and do it your way.

If I opened a business, I would never force an employee to alter his body .

 

[spat]

so coercion is an Ok way to run a business? How does that work out in government?

Using your loose notion of coersion *every* employee is coerced into doing their job.

Would you keep showing up to work if they said you'd get paid regardless ?

 

[tony]

reminds me of " here, piss in this bottle "... do you or don't you?

 

[holdover]

Also, you explicitly do *not* have a right to work for your employer.

That is where your argument breaks down.

wher Did I say I have right to work for an employer? I said I have rights as an individual under the law.

Your saying all rights are forfeited because you work for me.

 

[spat]

If I opened a business, I would never force an employee to alter his body .

That's a wise policy. Every employer should adopt it.

 

[Jmac00]

100% correct! They can ask! No problems there. But firing them for refusing your request to altering thier body is way over the top.

Useing the power of the purse to force people to do what they dont want to do is tyrannical oppressive behavior .

ok, we're getting a lot outside the scope of the discussion. its different if we are talking private enterprise or governmental policy

i think we can all agree that the government demanding you get a vaccine to carry on with your life would be an infringement of your rights. however, that does not carry over to private enterprise/private sector.

 

[holdover]

business policy's decreed by a retarded owner doesnt give him the protection of law to violate my body

 

[holdover]

i think we can all agree that the government demanding you get a vaccine to carry on with your life would be an infringement of your rights. however, that does not carry over to private enterprise/private sector.

How so?

 

[spat]

wher Did I say I have right to work for an employer? I said I have rights as an individual under the law.

Your saying all rights are forfeited because you work for me.

Right here, in post #153

So I have to give up my rights to work for you because your a sick fucking man?