De Blasio moves to ban natural gas hookups: 'Literally' our 'only choice is renewable energy'

[Steal2B]

Makes perfect sense. Rely on a power source hundreds of miles away that utilizes a single transmission path. What could go wrong?

If he was honest, he should have mentioned Ontario Hydro is selling their nuclear power output, hydro my ass. Most of Ontario Hydro's generation is in fact Nuclear over all other sources ... by a significant margin ... in fact more than 60%

Looks like NYC wants to replace their U.S. sourced nuclear consumption with orders of magnitude more expensive Canadian sourced Nuclear Power. You can't make this shit up.

 

[Jmac00]

LOL, POLITICIANS dont have a clue what they are talking about. the energy grid in America is, at present, on the verge of collapse'

we are not generating enough power to keep what we have going, now these idiots want to quadruple the power in the next 10-15 years. i suggest you all buy wooded lots, you're going to to keep warm some how.

 

[spat]

And Cuomo is shutting the nuclear plant that supplies 25% of NYC power with no backup. Real Smart!

If you want to grab power the best way is to create crises.

Even better if you can blame someone else for them.

There will be blackouts, and you can bet sure as shit he'll be blaming the "greedy power companies".

How dare they not want to deliver power at a loss.

 

[Steal2B]

LOL, POLITICIANS dont have a clue what they are talking about. the energy grid in America is, at present, on the verge of collapse'

we are not generating enough power to keep what we have going, now these idiots want to quadruple the power in the next 10-15 years. i suggest you all buy wooded lots, you're going to to keep warm some how.

I have a friend in PA who runs his own wood fueled steam plant on his hobby farm to generate his own electricity.

He also drives an old Mercedes diesel that must have 500k miles on it by now.

 

[Acer-m14]

after all these bans on fossil fuels , NG , ect ... .. what will the be tires on the EV autos ... hand carved stones .. yebbbi debbba doo LOL ..

 

[pjzwtl]

Canadian hydropower? Clean green energy but really bad for fish populations. Decisions...decisions.

I'm sure we'll just convert every acre of land upstate into solar and wind farms to power the city. Won't be any problems there either.

That the bigger issue. The city will undoubtably want that so called green energy produced out of sight which means we get to look at it.

 

[Grimscale]

Makes perfect sense. Rely on a power source hundreds of miles away that utilizes a single transmission path. What could go wrong?

even more ridiculous..
Why rely on a power source that is outside U.S. control, and owned by a government who is being increasingly pissed off at OUR Federal government?

What could go wrong?

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

LOL, POLITICIANS dont have a clue what they are talking about. the energy grid in America is, at present, on the verge of collapse'

we are not generating enough power to keep what we have going, now these idiots want to quadruple the power in the next 10-15 years. i suggest you all buy wooded lots, you're going to to keep warm some how.

Yup, one big power outage in the dead of winter, and everyone will freeze to death.

Not a problem here in central Florida. Even though I've had a few nights into the upper 30's, the coldest my house has gotten is 67. I haven't had to turn on the heat yet this winter.

 

[Steal2B]

Canadian hydropower? Clean green energy but really bad for fish populations

Mayor Moron forgot to mention that the source of the Ontario Hydro power being imported is NUCLEAR POWER (don't let the name fool you Ontario Hydro is one of the world's largest Nuclear providers), at a cost orders of magnitude higher than the power being shut down at Indian Point. Just wait until the MTA's cost for electricity triples (or worse during peak demand open market bidding), it's gonna be a shit storm.

They can't wheel the power from Ontario downstate anyway until they rape the environment, property owners, and taxpayers to install massive transmission towers through new multiple rights of way gutting the state.

 

[MilesTeg]

I have a friend in PA who runs his own wood fueled steam plant on his hobby farm to generate his own electricity.

He also drives an old Mercedes diesel that must have 500k miles on it by now.

Does he have any source info. I have wanted to set up such a system for a long time but couldn't find much about it.

 

[Jmac00]

 

[Steal2B]

Does he have any source info. I have wanted to set up such a system for a long time but couldn't find much about it.

Steam engines and turbines are a don't try this at home scenario in large part due to the energy potential in steam pressure vessels.

The first time I saw his rig decades ago is when I lost a bet and visited his farm outside of Philadelphia to help do some hydro testing, safety and relief valve testing. The bet was that no one had their own farm steam plant to run a fully self contained farm. The wood fired steam plant operated a multi building steam heating system, reciprocating steam pumps, and their electrical generators.

BTW, this guy was a professional engineer and had a stationary steam license. (I held stationary and marine steam licenses). He inherited the farm.

This guy had a barn full of small steam recip engines, two small low pressure multi-stage turbine sets, two salvaged boilers, spare heat exchangers full of plugs, cables, switchgear, pressure tanks and piping. His ancient machinery was sourced from scrapped marine, mining, and railroad finds from salvage and auctions. I was suprised how much he amassed for such little money since he was a penny pinching cheap sob. His wife was the better welder.

The property had a pond for use as both a water source (he had two circuits one with a steam condenser and one an open once through for railroad boilers) and an ultimate heat sink.

I haven't heard from this guy years but his family works this farm as a hobby and deserved their own reality TV show that I would watch. If I can dig up some old photos or negatives of his steam rig or antique firearms, I'll scan and post them here.

 

[1075tech]

Follow the money. Neither one of these asshats do anything unless it benefits them in some way.

 

[MilesTeg]

Steam engines and turbines are a don't try this at home scenario in large part due to the energy potential in steam pressure vessels.

The first time I saw his rig decades ago is when I lost a bet and visited his farm outside of Philadelphia to help do some hydro testing, safety and relief valve testing. The bet was that no one had their own farm steam plant to run a fully self contained farm. The wood fired steam plant operated a multi building steam heating system, reciprocating steam pumps, and their electrical generators.

BTW, this guy was a professional engineer and had a stationary steam license. (I held stationary and marine steam licenses). He inherited the farm.

This guy had a barn full of small steam recip engines, two small low pressure multi-stage turbine sets, two salvaged boilers, spare heat exchangers full of plugs, cables, switchgear, pressure tanks and piping. His ancient machinery was sourced from scrapped marine, mining, and railroad finds from salvage and auctions. I was suprised how much he amassed for such little money since he was a penny pinching cheap sob. His wife was the better welder.

The property had a pond for use as both a water source (he had two circuits one with a steam condenser and one an open once through for railroad boilers) and an ultimate heat sink.

I haven't heard from this guy years but his family works this farm as a hobby and deserved their own reality TV show that I would watch. If I can dig up some old photos or negatives of his steam rig or antique firearms, I'll scan and post them here.

I am close to getting my PE also. But what you alluded to was exactly what I found in my research. You would think with such simple and old technology that there could be a safe way to do a small system off of wood. I guess the search continues.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

LOL, POLITICIANS dont have a clue what they are talking about. the energy grid in America is, at present, on the verge of collapse'

we are not generating enough power to keep what we have going, now these idiots want to quadruple the power in the next 10-15 years. i suggest you all buy wooded lots, you're going to to keep warm some how.

They know exactly what they're doing.

 

[Jmac]

Green power cannot supply for base load generation, power stations either push voltage or VARS for power reliability. Canadian hydros freeze up in the winter and need to import power from NYS & Ohio. From Albany to downstate to cesspool NYC there power congestion rates due to transmission limits. Green power is a recipe for disaster been working power generation for utility 35 years politicians have no clue. Politicians all they know is turn on the switch and there is lights, have no clue how power is generated and the people that make it work & supply the grid.

 

[GOPerfect]

This is very similar to Glenn Beck's Agenda 21, two book series.

 

[Jmac00]

because of the way the grid is set up, the way power is generated, the electric vehicle will collapse the entire automotive industry.

people want wind power, but NIMBY ( not in my back yard ), not many realize the "generator" part of a wind turbine is bigger than a city bus and holds up to 60+ gallons of oil, when oil is $130/ Brl. and gas hits $6/gal, and the turbines stop, what will these idiots do?

 

[SonOfSun]

Yup, one big power outage in the dead of winter, and everyone will freeze to death.

Hmmmm...... Would solve the power demand problem pretty quick, no?

 

[spat]

Hmmmm...... Would solve the power demand problem pretty quick, no?

It would be mostly deep blue cities.

It would solve a lot of problems.

 

[SonOfSun]

On topic:

There's a very simple reason we use NG to heat homes and we want more of them hooked up. Efficiency.

Generating a bunch of Electricity to power in home resistive heating (ie. electric) is less efficient than you using a high efficiency furnace in your home. You'd need a bunch of new base load power generation as you need to heat at night, and so on - even if you could power it using solar during the day (which is also very unlikely) that still leaves the night loads. Then you need to transfer the power to site through the grid, etc.

Home furnaces are 90%+ efficient. Natural gas combined-cycle power plants—in which waste heat from a natural gas turbine is used to power a steam turbine—generation may be as much as 60% efficient.

30% raw percentage efficiency loss, not even counting the grid distribution needed, and that's with all the waste heat technology, etc. Without it NG plants are like 50% efficient or lower.

Basic math says this is a stupid idea, at least with our current technology.

 

[Acer-m14]

has anyone seen FUAC out in this snowstorm cleaning off the solar panel farms ?? ..

also is FUAC copter out deicing windmills .. ???

 

[inglorious]

Once this happens not only will rent for a studio apartment be $3000/month, you'll also have an electricity bill that's $3000/month. NYC will be a ghost town. Might as well build a wall around it and make it a prison.