Permit denied in Pennsylvania.

[Criticalt]

I live on the PA border so I went to the local county sherrifs office to recertify my PA permit. Sheriff comes out and tells me I was denied through PICS, the PA equivalent to NICS. I thought that was absurd, I have an unrestricted NYS permit and have had a PA concealed for several years now. I havent even had a traffic ticket in 31 years and buy guns all the time. He said this has been happening a lot lately and gave me the appropriate paperwork to appeal with the PA state police.
I sent in the paperwork which said they would contact me within 5 days to let me know they received my appeal. On the 8th day I received a one paragraph letter from the PA state police that said, "after review, you are not a prohibited person". With instructions on what to do next. I brought the letter to the sheriff and boom, no issues..." Have a good day sir".
Just thought I would warn people that PICS has been denying regularly lately according to the county sheriff.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

just making it difficult

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Damn. Never heard of someone getting denied like that.

 

[Criticalt]

just making it difficult

Thats what I thought until I received the reversal in 8 days.
The appeal paperwork says they have 60 days to make a decision.
I figure it took 3 days for my paperwork to get to Harrisburg PA and 3 days to get back....so they reversed the denial pretty quickly. If they were trying to make it difficult I would think they would take the entire 60 days.
Anyways, the sheriffs office said this has been happening a lot. I asked if they know why but they had no clue. Maybe the pandemic was his only idea.

 

[kev74]

I asked if they know why but they had no clue. Maybe the pandemic was his only idea.

More likely the commie-dem governor's fault.

I'm glad it got worked out relatively easily for you.

 

[fresch]

The pandemic, the pandemic, what the F, every response is TPD, yet when I say it they look at me like I'm crazy. The wife gets mad because I use it everywhere on the same dumb Fs using it on me. I make them wipe down stuff, hold up the line until they tell me to go ahead, then the unfortunate people with a brain, I apologize to (cashier) when they tell me it's bs but job requirements and your just like my husband. LOL and my mask is the same dirty one (I added dirt on the outside) from day one hanging on my chin.

 

[Criticalt]

More likely the commie-dem governor's fault.

I'm glad it got worked out relatively easily for you.

A few years ago a friend of mine got denied in PA for a shotgun purchase. He was not a prohibited person. Instead of just sending the paperwork, he hired a lawyer.
Through the lawyers "investigation" he learned from the PICS people that the problem was getting proper information from the NYS DOJ. So he got denied from PICSbecause of NYS shenanigans. That was 3-4 years ago....not sure if this is the issue now.
Ive bought maybe 6 guns in PA over the last 3 years with no issues.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

A few years ago a friend of mine got denied in PA for a shotgun purchase. He was not a prohibited person. Instead of just sending the paperwork, he hired a lawyer.
Through the lawyers "investigation" he learned from the PICS people that the problem was getting proper information from the NYS DOJ. So he got denied from PICSbecause of NYS shenanigans. That was 3-4 years ago....not sure if this is the issue now.
Ive bought maybe 6 guns in PA over the last 3 years with no issues.

In my experience it's an anomaly when people outside of the "non prohibited persons" (i hate that label) category get denied for anything. I've bought guns on my lunch break more than once. It's easy to buy gats in PA.

 

[Cooolone]

Because border county? Or maybe just because NY zip code ... ? Lol

And yeah, the infusion of the progressive thinking into PA govt has its caustic effects!

You would think they would hold freedoms so cherished and differently, especially in the original 13 Colonies... But Nooooooo! Lol

 

[Podmonkey]

I think what is happening is that PICS is overwhelmed, leading to a lot of mistakes.
The silver lining here is that @Criticalt able to resolve the situation in a fairly timely manner.

 

[Criticalt]

I think what is happening is that PICS is overwhelmed, leading to a lot of mistakes.
The silver lining here is that @Criticalt able to resolve the situation in a fairly timely manner.

Probably
The sheriff suggested the issue with denials has been just over the last year......during the pandemic.
The PA state police told my buddy it was the NYS DOJ who didnt respond quickly enough resulting in PICS just denying.
Either way, I got it resolved quickly but its still ridiculous.
I buy guns in PA several times a year with no issue and got my permit 5 years ago with no issue.

 

[togmaster]

Incompetence. The monkeys banging on the keyboard hit the wrong button.

 

[Podmonkey]

Probably
The sheriff suggested the issue with denials has been just over the last year......during the pandemic.
The PA state police told my buddy it was the NYS DOJ who didnt respond quickly enough resulting in PICS just denying.
Either way, I got it resolved quickly but its still ridiculous.
I buy guns in PA several times a year with no issue and got my permit 5 years ago with no issue.

People are buying guns like madmen in PA. At my LGS they won't begin any sale past an hour before closing as that is how long the background checks are taking. My last two checks, within 2 weeks of each other, went through in 5 minutes though. I think because I have a somewhat uncommon name.

 

[fresch]

Pod or monkey?

 

[libertysnake]

Probably
The sheriff suggested the issue with denials has been just over the last year......during the pandemic.
The PA state police told my buddy it was the NYS DOJ who didnt respond quickly enough resulting in PICS just denying.
Either way, I got it resolved quickly but its still ridiculous.
I buy guns in PA several times a year with no issue and got my permit 5 years ago with no issue.

Once again, more reason why we should banding together and give our government a hard time about when they deny our rights. A right delayed is a right denied.

If one person says "Hey, why did you deny me?" it's laughable.

If a thousand people say "We, and our lawyers, demand to know why you denied one of us" it speaks louder.

 

[Criticalt]

Once again, more reason why we should banding together and give our government a hard time about when they deny our rights. A right delayed is a right denied.

If one person says "Hey, why did you deny me?" it's laughable.

If a thousand people say "We, and our lawyers, demand to know why you denied one of us" it speaks louder.

I hear you.
When I was wrongly denied in 2015 it took an act of the most powerful person on earth to get my rights back after nearly 3 years waiting. Five days after contacting president Trump, my 2nd amendment rights were returned.
I havent had as much as a traffic ticket in over 30 years but have been denied my 2nd amendment rights 2x. Its just my luck I figure....nothing else.

 

[libertysnake]

I hear you.
When I was wrongly denied in 2015 it took an act of the most powerful person on earth to get my rights back after nearly 3 years waiting. Five days after contacting president Trump, my 2nd amendment rights were returned.
I havent had as much as a traffic ticket in over 30 years but have been denied my 2nd amendment rights 2x. Its just my luck I figure....nothing else.

You were denied in 2015? How? Did they ever say why?

 

[SonOfSun]

Thats what I thought until I received the reversal in 8 days.
The appeal paperwork says they have 60 days to make a decision.
I figure it took 3 days for my paperwork to get to Harrisburg PA and 3 days to get back....so they reversed the denial pretty quickly. If they were trying to make it difficult I would think they would take the entire 60 days.
Anyways, the sheriffs office said this has been happening a lot. I asked if they know why but they had no clue. Maybe the pandemic was his only idea.

Maybe they crossed your name with a scumbag that has the same name.

My name isn't super common (I don't know anyone with my family last name in the area that isn't a relative) but of course some asshole from downstate has the same name and is the same age as me (in years, not birthdate) and is a real winner. Robbed a bank, or more accurately, tried to rob a bank, panicked, ran away, and tried to hide at the food court in a mall by the bank, lol. What a smart guy, haha.

Could just be something like that where they misidentified you.

 

[libertysnake]

Maybe they crossed your name with a scumbag that has the same name.

My name isn't super common (I don't know anyone with my family last name in the area that isn't a relative) but of course some asshole from downstate has the same name and is the same age as me (in years, not birthdate) and is a real winner. Robbed a bank, or more accurately, tried to rob a bank, panicked, ran away, and tried to hide at the food court in a mall by the bank, lol. What a smart guy, haha.

Could just be something like that where they misidentified you.

Yeah, but it's up to them to get it right. If they get it wrong, they're violating the bill of rights. Should be a big no-no.

I understand the caution, but three years is insane to deny someone. A week to sort it out? Ok, no problem. Maybe even two. Three years is criminal.

 

[SonOfSun]

Yeah, but it's up to them to get it right. If they get it wrong, they're violating the bill of rights. Should be a big no-no.

I understand the caution, but three years is insane to deny someone. A week to sort it out? Ok, no problem. Maybe even two. Three years is criminal.

Well what I was responding to said he got it back in 8 days not 3 years, ha.

Yeah they should get it right, honest mistakes can happen though, that's why there is an appeal process. In any event, I was just suggesting something that may have possibly happened, not something I know for sure happened.

 

[libertysnake]

Well what I was responding to said he got it back in 8 days not 3 years, ha.

Yeah they should get it right, honest mistakes can happen though, that's why there is an appeal process. In any event, I was just suggesting something that may have possibly happened, not something I know for sure happened.

He said he was denied though for three years until writing to Trump.

 

[SonOfSun]

He said he was denied though for three years until writing to Trump.

Thats what I thought until I received the reversal in 8 days.
The appeal paperwork says they have 60 days to make a decision.
I figure it took 3 days for my paperwork to get to Harrisburg PA and 3 days to get back....so they reversed the denial pretty quickly.........

 

[libertysnake]

I hear you.
When I was wrongly denied in 2015 it took an act of the most powerful person on earth to get my rights back after nearly 3 years waiting. Five days after contacting president Trump, my 2nd amendment rights were returned.
I havent had as much as a traffic ticket in over 30 years but have been denied my 2nd amendment rights 2x. Its just my luck I figure....nothing else.

 

[cgrutt]

Well what I was responding to said he got it back in 8 days not 3 years, ha.

Yeah they should get it right, honest mistakes can happen though, that's why there is an appeal process. In any event, I was just suggesting something that may have possibly happened, not something I know for sure happened.

Yeah who needs 8 days for an inalienable right anyway... for the children, I know...

 

[prambo]

Yeah, but it's up to them to get it right. If they get it wrong, they're violating the bill of rights. Should be a big no-no.

I understand the caution, but three years is insane to deny someone. A week to sort it out? Ok, no problem. Maybe even two. Three years is criminal.

I have one question here, and it is narrowly limited to this forum...

There is absolutely no disrespect intended at you @libertysnake - please, don't think that...your words speak for themselves - you are a patriot.

But why?

Why do you even interact with this troll "SonOfSun"?

Civil discourse is dead - D - E - A - D - this is patently obvious.

If we are to correct the course this country is on, wasting our time on schmucks like this is a total and complete waste of time.

The nation is poised at the edge of the abyss, and this douchebag is wasting our time.

You have a lot of excellent ideas on how we might fight back...why waste even one breath on an obvious Marxist troll?

There is no "engagement" at a civil level - "they", not "us", have reduced it to this abysmal state - purposefully.

I don't know how old you are, but from where I sit at 74, you are probably younger.

There are many members here that are much younger than I am - use your time wisely - useless bantering with NPC trolls is a waste of your life.

This was written with all due respect.

 

[SonOfSun]

Yeah who needs 8 days for an inalienable right anyway... for the children, I know...

That's sort of besides the point. Was talking about the process he was going through more than if that process should even exist. I tend to agree with you, a simple criminal background check is all it should take.

 

[SonOfSun]

looks like eh lost them 2x. The first one sounds like some crazy BS, the other time sounds like a clerical error. Not saying either are good, but yeah.

 

[SonOfSun]

I have one question here, and it is narrowly limited to this forum...

There is absolutely no disrespect intended at you @libertysnake - please, don't think that...your words speak for themselves - you are a patriot.

But why?

Why do you even interact with this troll "SonOfSun"?

Civil discourse is dead - D - E - A - D - this is patently obvious.

If we are to correct the course this country is on, wasting our time on schmucks like this is a total and complete waste of time.

The nation is poised at the edge of the abyss, and this douchebag is wasting our time.

Apparently not 100% agreeing with you is "trolling". If you think I'm wasting your time then go retreat to your safe space and block me or something, that's what the button is there for - to hide you from opinions that your mind just can't take being exposed to.

 

[Podmonkey]

Pod or monkey?

Ivan Wakanov

 

[Darth]

Apparently not 100% agreeing with you is "trolling". If you think I'm wasting your time then go retreat to your safe space and block me or something, that's what the button is there for - to hide you from opinions that your mind just can't take being exposed to.

It is on this forum.

I've, to this day, still never blocked anyone.