License Canceled After 50 years?

[nortatoga]

Why would he stop all of a sudden ?


For 50 years he's run the business above board, and now he decides to launder the money ?

Did previous license require banking proof?

His own words from the article..

Leifer said he needs the harder-to-get “carry” permit because he does business deals and takes client retainers that sometimes involve a “substantial amount of cash.” He’s also a partner in two bars — Brandy Library in Tribeca and Copper & Oak on the Lower East Side — which “also generate cash.”

I take that to mean that was not the license he had a was wanting to upgrade?

 

[Chevusa]

Did previous license require banking proof?

His own word from the article..

Leifer said he needs the harder-to-get “carry” permit because he does business deals and takes client retainers that sometimes involve a “substantial amount of cash.” He’s also a partner in two bars — Brandy Library in Tribeca and Copper & Oak on the Lower East Side — which “also generate cash.”

I take that to mean that was not the license he had a was wanting to upgrade?

That’s how I read it too. Who knows though. The article and headline is shit. I cannot take it credibly when it says he has automatic James Bond weapons. The story is dog shit. Which was my original point.

 

[nortatoga]

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[spat]

Did previous license require banking proof?

His own words from the article..

Leifer said he needs the harder-to-get “carry” permit because he does business deals and takes client retainers that sometimes involve a “substantial amount of cash.” He’s also a partner in two bars — Brandy Library in Tribeca and Copper & Oak on the Lower East Side — which “also generate cash.”

I take that to mean that was not the license he had a was wanting to upgrade?

No, I don't believe any of that is new.

He is looking for a simple renewal, not an upgrade.

"harder to get permit" is comparing to the premise permit that doesn't require the proof, not to his existing permit (which is already the "harder to get" one)

 

[nortatoga]

No, I don't believe any of that is new.

He is looking for a simple renewal, not an upgrade.

"harder to get permit" is comparing to the premise permit that doesn't require the proof, not to his existing permit (which is already the "harder to get" one)

Did you read my post #93?

 

[Cooolone]

Love all the debate... But come on folks...

You are missing the BIG picture! NYC is free to do whatever the fuck they want, especially and we can all thank the SCOTUS when they allowed NYC off the hook recently, because they changed their ways! LMFAO!

How does this municipality exhibit malfeasance towards residents exercising their 2A rights by the implementation and exhibition of hurdle after hurdle in order to just try and get an application processed! Where does the NEED come in as a requirement for a citizen to enjoy a RIGHT? And oh those character references...? The denial based upon a lack thereof? Really? And if I'm new to the area I must await to exercise my RIGHTS until I've been around long enough to provide a list of references? Lol...

Anyways, just arbitrary defacto denial bumpstops put in place that work so well and for so long, they're not going to change a thing... Reinforced by the SCOTUS! They could do whatever they want for years, decades even, and if a case ever again ever went before that court and the city just promises to behave, it'll all go away. Allowing them to continue as though nothing happened, like now.

Anyways...

 

[spat]

Did you read my post #93?

Yes, I believe he has had a "business carry license" for 50 years and is just trying to renew it.

 

[nortatoga]

Yes, I believe he has had a "business carry license" for 50 years and is just trying to renew it.

Sorry @spat but he said * Leifer said he needs the harder-to-get “carry” permit * he did not say he needed to renew it! That would be the

Special Carry License
This special license is issued only to persons possessing a basic county license that has been provided according to the NYS Penal Law terms of article 400. The special carry license is voided if that basic license is cancelled or revoked.

 

[spat]

Sorry @spat but he said * Leifer said he needs the harder-to-get “carry” permit * he did not say he needed to renew it! That would be the

Special Carry License
This special license is issued only to persons possessing a basic county license that has been provided according to the NYS Penal Law terms of article 400. The special carry license is voided if that basic license is cancelled or revoked.

It clearly states they denied a renewal, not an upgrade.



"Max Leifer is suing the NYPD because the department’s License Division shot down his gun permit renewal application"

 

[Chevusa]

It clearly states they denied a renewal, not an upgrade.



"Max Leifer is suing the NYPD because the department’s License Division shot down his gun permit renewal application"

They also said he has automatic weapons. None of it is credible. Let’s put this one to bed. Not enough credible info to draw a conclusion.

 

[spat]

They also said he has automatic weapons. None of it is credible. Let’s put this one to bed. Not enough credible info to draw a conclusion.

The NYPD concluded, “the activities which justified granting a Business Carry License in the past, do not exist anymore"


The direct quote from the NYPD claim he already had a business carry license, but they were not going to allow him to renew it.


Where are you guys getting this idea he was trying to upgrade ?

 

[nortatoga]

The NYPD concluded, “the activities which justified granting a Business Carry License in the past, do not exist anymore"


The direct quote from the NYPD claim he already had a business carry license, but they were not going to allow him to renew it.


Where are you guys getting this idea he was trying to upgrade ?

I can see how you may see it that way, but he did not say say he was renewing the harder to get license.


Leifer said he needs the harder-to-get “carry” permit because he does business deals and takes client retainers that sometimes involve a “substantial amount of cash.” He’s also a partner in two bars — Brandy Library in Tribeca and Copper & Oak on the Lower East Side — which “also generate cash.”

In July 2020, for the first time since he started using handguns for protection in 1973, his renewal application on was denied.

And by the way his timing sucks as should the NYSRPA case go our way it may not matter!

 

[spat]

I can see how you may see it that way, but he did not say say he was renewing the harder to get license.


Leifer said he needs the harder-to-get “carry” permit because he does business deals and takes client retainers that sometimes involve a “substantial amount of cash.” He’s also a partner in two bars — Brandy Library in Tribeca and Copper & Oak on the Lower East Side — which “also generate cash.”

In July 2020, for the first time since he started using handguns for protection in 1973, his renewal application on was denied.

And by the way his timing sucks as should the NYSRPA case go our way it may not matter!

Yes, he has had the "harder to get" permit for 50 years.

He was trying to renew it one more time and was denied.

Every place I have looked it is referred to as a "renewal" never an upgrade.

All evidence points to this being the same license he's had forever, not some new upgrade.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I can see how you may see it that way, but he did not say say he was renewing the harder to get license.


Leifer said he needs the harder-to-get “carry” permit

As in he has that permit and the reason he "needs" that one over the easier to get permit is (insert rest of quote from story)

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Not even going to read this thread. 4 pages of posts in ~25hrs. Who is arguing this time?

 

[Edwardteach72]

Not even going to read this thread. 4 pages of posts in ~25hrs. Who is arguing this time?

Not me

 

[nortatoga]

As in he has that permit and the reason he "needs" that one over the easier to get permit is (insert rest of quote from story)

I did in post #102!

 

[Edwardteach72]

I did in post #102!

You did what?

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Not me

I hope someone wins this one. Nobody ever wins. It just carries over into the next thread.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I decided not to eat dinner this evening because I didn't eat lunch until 3:30.

 

[Darth]

NY laws apply. We can cry and stomp our feet but they still do. As stated he can try it with the judge. I wish him the best.

Now you've ignored the question twice.

So I ask again, what should the cops have done had he ignored the permitting scheme?

 

[Acer-m14]

where do i sign up for my voting permit and get finger printed .. asking for a friend ..

 

[Chevusa]

Now you've ignored the question twice.

So I ask again, what should the cops have done had he ignored the permitting scheme?

You’ve now asked an off topic question 3 times. It has nothing to do with the subject or story / headline. Enforcement isn’t being debated. The process is.

 

[Darth]

You’ve now asked an off topic question 3 times. It has nothing to do with the subject or story / headline. Enforcement isn’t being debated. The process is.

I'm debating enforcement. What should they do?

 

[Chevusa]

Now you've ignored the question twice.

So I ask again, what should the cops have done had he ignored the permitting scheme?

You’ve now asked an off topic question 3 times. It has nothing to do with the subject or story / headline. Enforcement isn’t being debated. The process is.

I'm debating enforcement. What should they do?

What I think they should do is irrelevant. I’ve already stated “constitutional carry” should be in force. I would leave the old man alone and perhaps “lose” his file or forget to revoke it. Again, not up to me. It’s meaningless. No different than “what would you do if you had a billion dollars?”.

 

[Criticalt]

Again you clearly have not read or understood the discussion. Nobody is saying there should be permits required. That has been debunked by reading and comprehending my posts. I have clearly said the constitution grants the abilities. However, that is not the law of the land here. The story is claiming he lost his permit. That is dishonest. He applied for a different type of permit and did so improperly. He didn’t submit a complete application. He should do so. If denied, then we have what this story is claiming to be and we can move the discussion forward. Did he just think his permit would magically issue itself without applying for it?

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Hello????

Do not try to explain logic to people who are unwilling or unable to understand.
These people are the biggest hurdle we have to eliminating our gun laws.
People who do not understand the CURRENT unconstitutional laws and just scream about the laws being unfair and unconstitutional.
Some just end every conversation like this with, "well the law should not even be a thing", and then call YOU the idiot.
They dont comprehend the fact that the CURRENT law needs to be understood before it can be changed. Just saying the law shouldnt be, does not eliminate the law.
Like the absolute nonsense some spout that " permit restrictions mean nothing so dont worry about them.".........nonsense.
To change the horrible laws we need to admit they exist!!

 

[Chevusa]

Do not try to explain logic to people who are unwilling or unable to understand.
These people are the biggest hurdle we have to eliminating our gun laws.
People who do not understand the CURRENT unconstitutional laws and just scream about the laws being unfair and unconstitutional.
Some just end every conversation like this with, "well the law should not even be a thing", and then call YOU the idiot.
They dont comprehend the fact that the CURRENT law needs to be understood before it can be changed. Just saying the law shouldnt be, does not eliminate the law.
Like the absolute nonsense some spout that " permit restrictions mean nothing so dont worry about them.".........nonsense.
To change the horrible laws we need to admit they exist!!

Don’t even get me going on the restrictions. Same as with this guy, people who will suffer no consequences just say “ignore them, carry anyway”. We all know the truth. Nobody here would keep their guns and carry them anyway if they lost their permit. It’s just nonsense. “Well, let me tell you what I would do!” All hot air. “You wouldn’t fare very well during the revolutionary war!” Lol. Yea. This isn’t the war. Tell me more about how you’d help the cause from inside your jail cell. Let’s hope the Supreme Court case this fall makes an impact. That’s at least something real we can discuss instead of imaginary things we tell others online we would do if it were us!

 

[Edwardteach72]

I did in post #102!

You did what?

Thanks for clarification

 

[Robin]

The NYPD claims Leifer, 75, did not fully cooperate with its investigator by failing to produce, among other things, “three months of bank statements and the corresponding deposit slips, and documentation of being in extraordinary personal danger.”

So you need to prove that you're in extraordinary danger before you can get a permit. SMH. I'm so glad I left that shithole aka NY.

I'm pretty sure I would not supply that information, but then, I am not faced with that situation, but still, I'm pretty sure.
I guess I would just have to open carry a MSR wherever I Go.
Robin

 

[Chevusa]

I'm pretty sure I would not supply that information, but then, I am not faced with that situation, but still, I'm pretty sure.
I guess I would just have to open carry a MSR wherever I Go.
Robin

“I would not supply that information”, well then you’re not getting the permit. That’s the law. Look into the mirror and blame that person for the reason you don’t have it. Until the law changes, which isn’t likely to ever happen, you need to apply accordingly. Or don’t. Nobody will care either way.

Again for the people who can’t comprehend, I’m not saying I agree or that it’s right. It’s just the way it is.