Liberals are worried What If 2020 Was Just a Rehearsal?

[Blimey]

So, what do you suggest the Democrats do about all that ?

30 million people thinking that their government is no longer legitimate is a very dangerous thing.

Just saying "well, they're wrong" doesn't eliminate the danger.

There *are* a lot of legitimate concerns about election security. Whether there was any fraud in 2020 or not, there was obviously the potential for a lot to occur, and no way to detect it.

My suggestion for the Republicans is this: "If the democrats aren't going to allow you to secure the election, then you're just going to have to out cheat them".

What happens when there are 500 million votes cast in 2024 ?

Not sure what to do about it. Seems to me that America is getting stupider by the month. The amount of unadulterated trash I read online, fabricated by people out of thin air, and argued fervently is just stunning. We are descending into Idiocracy at a breakneck pace. Just in the past week I've read stories of people arguing that there are pedophile rings under military bases, the vaccines have parasites in them, that covid is a parasite, that the unvaccinated will be sent to concentration camps, that the vaccinated will be sent to concentration camps, that covid isn't real, that it's a bioweapon, that vaccinated people can now be scanned for QR codes under black light, etc. Adults who vote believe all this (and more).

Truly it's impossible to reach everybody.

Presumably if there are 500 million votes cast in 2024 they will have to repeat the election.

So what happens with his "brain farts"? He starts saying shit he shouldn't because he's lost the cognitive ability to remain devious and on narrative in real time. The translator between unadulterated thought and the "appropriate" message is broken - at least that's my impression of the theory. I watched my Grandma lose her filter while sliding into dementia. It seems plausible just based on my limited experience.


It's intriguing to watch your rhetoric become more entrenched and vitriolic over time... also a little horrifying.

Is it not reasonable to think that he didn't choose his words properly (consistent with his behavior)?

My vitriol...which takes the form of sardonic comments when somebody has repeated a lie and seems oblivious to correction. Is it horrifying? There is one person on this forum who more than once has expressed very plainly a desire to see all democrats killed. There is another who, when told of a physician who put a covid patient on a vent to attempt to save his life, argued this physician should be arrested for attempted murder. Do you find that horrifying?

 

[ManrisFrack]

Is it not reasonable to think that he didn't choose his words properly (consistent with his behavior)?

No, that's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

My vitriol...which takes the form of sardonic comments when somebody has repeated a lie and seems oblivious to correction. Is it horrifying? There is one person on this forum who more than once has expressed very plainly a desire to see all democrats killed. There is another who, when told of a physician who put a covid patient on a vent to attempt to save his life, argued this physician should be arrested for attempted murder. Do you find that horrifying?

Many things can be horrifying at once, and to differing degrees. I think I know who you're speaking of and they've been that way for as long as I can remember (which is not to say I condone or agree with their statements). Your shift is what is disturbing. I once thought you to be reasonable, intelligent, as well as freedom and free minded (in as much as a Western European can be). I certainly doubt that view now.

 

[GOPerfect]

Biden/Trump or Trump/Biden.

Anyone that cannot see that there were some really serious and rather huge issues and problems with the last election is a complete fool and an idiot rolled into one.

Huge issues. Again, it makes no difference if the problems helped one and hurt the other or visa versa, serious problems.

This is a Right, to be able to vote and have one vote counted per one person. Not dead people, not more than one vote per person.

This has been proven many times since November and there are still the ignorant and stupid that think this is not an issue.

 

[Modean]

So, what do you suggest the Democrats do about all that ?

30 million people thinking that their government is no longer legitimate is a very dangerous thing.

Just saying "well, they're wrong" doesn't eliminate the danger.

There *are* a lot of legitimate concerns about election security. Whether there was any fraud in 2020 or not, there was obviously the potential for a lot to occur, and no way to detect it.

My suggestion for the Republicans is this: "If the democrats aren't going to allow you to secure the election, then you're just going to have to out cheat them".

What happens when there are 500 million votes cast in 2024 ?

Let’s remember that a lot of people on the other side were conned into believing that 2016 wasn’t legitimate either, and mainstream media helped sell that. At this point neither side trusts elections, and I doubt that there is much that’s politically possible that can be done to change that.

 

[DoD1776]

The best thing the Republicans can do to drive Democrat turn out in 2024 is nominate Trump again. Whether you liked him or not personally, enough people despise him that if he’s on the ballot Biden, or any other Dem will stand a very good chance of winning, with or without fraud
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Democrats know how to steal a election. Honestly, if a bunch of democrats don’t change and vote for Republican I don’t see trump winning. The system is now rigged against us.

 

[SonOfSun]

The best thing the Republicans can do to drive Democrat turn out in 2024 is nominate Trump again. Whether you liked him or not personally, enough people despise him that if he’s on the ballot Biden, or any other Dem will stand a very good chance of winning, with or without fraud
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Like always I'll consider both sides when determining who to vote for. I'm not hard set any one way, I've voted for both R and D in elections and didn't vote for Cuomo either. This holds for me, except when it comes to Trump. I'll vote straight D ticket if he is the R nominee. He doesn't believe in our system of government so he's flat out a non-starter for me.

 

[SonOfSun]

Democrats know how to steal a election. Honestly, if a bunch of democrats don’t change and vote for Republican I don’t see trump winning. The system is now rigged against us. View attachment 129293

I'd vote for a Republican. I wouldn't vote for Trump.

 

[DoD1776]

I'd vote for a Republican. I wouldn't vote for Trump.

And when trump wins the nomination?

 

[SonOfSun]

And when trump wins the nomination?

I won't vote for Trump.

 

[spat]

Like always I'll consider both sides when determining who to vote for. I'm not hard set any one way, I've voted for both R and D in elections and didn't vote for Cuomo either. This holds for me, except when it comes to Trump. I'll vote straight D ticket if he is the R nominee. He doesn't believe in our system of government so he's flat out a non-starter for me.

What he believes in is a lot closer to what our system of government is supposed to look like than the democrats are running.

Sure, he leaves a lot to be desired, but if you can't see that for everything the popular narrative complains about him, the democrats are far worse.

It's like the Russian thing. They spent 4 years pushing the "Russian collusion" narrative. The media said essentially "We all know it's true, we have proof, just waiting for the wheels of justice to turn". It was a daily message. Then, once the truth finally comes out and it turns out the only one colluding with the Russians was Hillary, crickets.

You can repeat that scenerio over a dozen different issues.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Mike Rowe 2024

I hope that triggers someone.

 

[GOPerfect]

Mike Rowe 2024

I hope that triggers someone.

I do not believe he would ever step down that low.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I do not believe he would ever step down that low.

I think he would be an awesome president. It just wouldn't be popular encouraging people to work for a living. Biden debating him would be great to see.

 

[spat]

I won't vote for Trump.

Yea, that Churchhill guy is a bastard. He drinks, he's a womanizer, and an asshole. Don't vote for him. Mr Chamberlain is much nicer, he'll get us through this nasty business with the Germans...

I do not vote for Trump because I'd like to hang out with him at parties. I vote for him because he will fight for things I think need to be fought for, and he isn't afraid to fight dirty.

 

[GOPerfect]

I think he would be an awesome president. It just wouldn't be popular encouraging people to work for a living. Biden debating him would be great to see.

I would love to see this as well. Just an overall great guy.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I would love to see this as well. Just an overall great guy.

MAWA - Make America Work Again

 

[ManrisFrack]

TDS, Covid, Saddam's WMDs, etc., etc., ad infinitum... All shit that's been hyped way bigger than it should have been solely to manipulate public opinion. We're being played like fiddles again and again and again. The real corruption and criminal behavior doesn't see the light of day; or if it does, it never gets traction.

Theoretically Mike Rowe would be the best President in a century. As a practical matter, he'd be stymied at every turn. He might even be JFK'd. No one that has gained influence through our political system can be trusted to do the right thing for our country. The leviathan will devour anyone than manages to circumnavigate the cesspool. Republican, Democrat - they're just costumes that the actors don to keep the show going on.

THAT is what I've learned from Trump's defeat.

 

[spat]

TDS, Covid, Saddam's WMDs, etc., etc., ad infinitum... All shit that's been hyped way bigger than it should have been solely to manipulate public opinion. We're being played like fiddles again and again and again. The real corruption and criminal behavior doesn't see the light of day; or if it does, it never gets traction.

Theoretically Mike Rowe would be the best President in a century. As a practical matter, he'd be stymied at every turn. He might even be JFK'd. No one that has gained influence through our political system can be trusted to do the right thing for our country. The leviathan will devour anyone than manages to circumnavigate the cesspool. Republican, Democrat - they're just costumes that the actors don to keep the show going on.

THAT is what I've learned from Trump's defeat.

I've become a lot less enamored of democracy since I realized how easily the electorate is manipulated.

I haven't been able to figure out anything better, but that doesn't mean what we have is working.

I'm convinced democracy would be better without universal sufferage at least.

 

[Grimscale]

Every local, state and Federal court that has reviewed the evidence against Dominion ruled that the conspiracy theories are baseless nonsense, designed to sow fear and paranoid and doubt about out democratic system. And possibly even fuel violent revolution.

To take a page out of blimey's "beat them to death with technicalities" book:

EVERY local and state and federal court? not a single judge ever, anywhere, stated that there was a problem with the dominion machines?

Guess Antrim, MI, is not in the country.

 

[Phazer]

Like always I'll consider both sides when determining who to vote for. I'm not hard set any one way, I've voted for both R and D in elections and didn't vote for Cuomo either. This holds for me, except when it comes to Trump. I'll vote straight D ticket if he is the R nominee. He doesn't believe in our system of government so he's flat out a non-starter for me.

As Dan Bongino said (paraphrase), "The Republicans are not the answer to all of our nation's problems. However, the Democrats are certainly the cause of the problems."

Vote accordingly.

 

[Defilade]

Like always I'll consider both sides when determining who to vote for. I'm not hard set any one way, I've voted for both R and D in elections and didn't vote for Cuomo either. This holds for me, except when it comes to Trump. I'll vote straight D ticket if he is the R nominee. He doesn't believe in our system of government so he's flat out a non-starter for me.

How's that system of Government working under the clown you voted for? Biden.

 

[SonOfSun]

How's that system of Government working under the clown you voted for? Biden.

I have lots to dislike about Biden. Same as with Trump in that regard. I knew I'd be unhappy with either of them, to say I like Biden would be a misunderstanding. I don't like him, I just like him more than Trump. If R. Paul would have ran and had a chance of winning I would prefer him. However you sort of need to vote within the choices you have... and it was going to be Biden or Trump.... so that's who I had to pick between, two trash candidates.

People whine about the economy and "were you better off under X or Y". If someone thinks like that then F them. I'm better off because of what I did to get there, I'm not going to give any credit for things I worked to achieve to some politician scumbag while I wave his campaign flag around. If you're doing better chances are you earned that position, have some self pride ffs.