UnitedHealthcare CEO shot, killed outside Midtown Manhattan hotel; suspect sought

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Brawny71 said:
It depends on the level of crime. Speeding across the border is not a federal crime. Speeding across three states being pursued by law enforcement after conducting a mass shooting can be. Planning a bombing, making the bomb, going to another state can become federal. Making it federal lessens the jurisdiction fights between states.
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While this may be true I have to think its more because of who the victim was like @GOPerfect has mentioned.
Last year that dude from Nevada rented a UHaul in Florida then drove it to Brooklyn and decided to drive over people there. That panned out as a State crime not Fed. One might speculate it was because of his mental state at the time, but the shooter in this event does not appear to be in a proper mental state either.
 
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GOPerfect said:
I just find it interesting that the Feds decided to get involved in this case....

Less than 1/10 of 1% of murders like this get charged at the federal level.

Gotta ask why now? Why this case? Because a wealthy was involved. Weird.
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Maybe so a D president can pardon him in the future?
 
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GOPerfect said:
Just digging into this..... Not arguing or sticking up for the suspected shooter...

Are you saying it is a Federal crime when a person leaves one State, goes to another and commits a crime?
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There are a lot of federal crimes that are only federal crimes if they involve interstate activities.

Some examples are below.

Most of that stuff is only illegal at the state level. But if you traveled interstate to commit it, then it becomes a major federal crime.

I.e. hiring a hooker isn't generally a major crime.

Hiring one on the internet from a neighboring state can get you 5 years.

 
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spat said:
There are a lot of federal crimes that are only federal crimes if they involve interstate activities.

Some examples are below.

Most of that stuff is only illegal at the state level. But if you traveled interstate to commit it, then it becomes a major federal crime.

I.e. hiring a hooker isn't generally a major crime.

Hiring one on the internet from a neighboring state can get you 5 years.

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I understand this. I am just curious of what is so special about this simple murder. It is not any different than most murders in the US.

Why is this one so important to bring in the Feds?

Cause the guy is a millionaire and has a higher position with his job?
 
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GOPerfect said:
I understand this. I am just curious of what is so special about this simple murder. It is not any different than most murders in the US.

Why is this one so important to bring in the Feds?

Cause the guy is a millionaire and has a higher position with his job?
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Yes, that is the real reason.

That's not how it should be. Every murdered gas station attendant should be treated with as much attention.

But, that's how it is.

It's interesting that they treat this as far more important than a murdered cop, even though the law says the opposite.

Not that I agree with that law, but that's what the law is in NY.
 
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spat said:
There are a lot of federal crimes that are only federal crimes if they involve interstate activities.

I.e. hiring a hooker isn't generally a major crime.

Hiring one on the internet from a neighboring state can get you 5 years.
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Matt Gaetz suggests you up your state border crime game and take your underage whores to the Bahamas. :beer:
 
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GOPerfect said:
I just find it interesting that the Feds decided to get involved in this case....

Less than 1/10 of 1% of murders like this get charged at the federal level.

Gotta ask why now? Why this case? Because a wealthy was involved. Weird.
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I see what you're doing.
 
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GOPerfect said:
Someone, anyone....

Can anyone explain why this murder is so different than any of the other 1000's of murders in the US?

Why and how does this reach the Federal Murder level?

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Luigi Mangione hit with federal charges, making him eligible for death penalty, as he arrives in New York

Federal authorities unsealed the complaint Thursday in the high-profile case, which will proceed in parallel with the New York case in which he’s facing 11-counts at the state level.
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He's a CEO so he is "important". You aren't. You're just a worthless fucking citizen.


That's the answer.
 
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SonOfSun said:
He's a CEO so he is "important". You aren't. You're just a worthless fucking citizen.


That's the answer.
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These are the messages I'm getting.

Message 1: No one is above the law. We're all equal.
Message 2: This rich guy deserves a serious investigation unlike all the inner city black people that are gunned down each day.

If anything the very fact this is getting such high profile treatment just provides more evidence for classism and unequal treatment.
 
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libertysnake said:
These are the messages I'm getting.

Message 1: No one is above the law. We're all equal.
Message 2: This rich guy deserves a serious investigation unlike all the inner city black people that are gunned down each day.

If anything the very fact this is getting such high profile treatment just provides more evidence for classism and unequal treatment.
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The above the law thing... There are so many levels of law in the US.

The list is endless.

One of the simplest examples that I can think of....

I am still on the job, I pull you over for excessive speed. We are pals on the forum and we speak on the phone. You're a buddy.... I will not be issuing that ticket.

Are you above the law? Yes, in this case you are.
 
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Defilade said:
We have a National Holiday (Veterans Day) because of @GOPerfect . The CEO is the worthless fucking citizen!
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I was more pointing out how the people that make the decisions feel. I'm not the one directing the resources. If I was, the CEO would be given the same priority as any other person. If that's not good enough for the CEO, then it's not good enough for everyone else.
 
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Defilade said:
We have a National Holiday (Veterans Day) because of @GOPerfect . The CEO is the worthless fucking citizen!
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No, he was a man going about his life the best as he saw fit, a husband and father providing for his family who was ruthlessly gunned down, shot in the back , on camera, on a public street, by a valueless coward.
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C3D said:
Judge has ruled no death penalty for Mangione despite his being a cold blooded premeditated assassin. WTF?

The judge is of course a Biden appointee.

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The leftist eyeglasses fit. What I mean by that is the leftists always have the larger rimmed glasses. This here isn't the greatest example, but my point still stands. IMO

Recently, they, the leftist assholes, have been going to larger and larger frames trying to out-leftist one another. It's what they do. Check it out for yourselves.

I think that many of the leftists don't even have vision issues, but they wear those particulary stupid looking oversized glasses anyway as an identifier, they wear those stupid looking oversized eyeglasses to say look at me, I'm a leftist brainwashed retard. It's almost like a gang tattoo.
An identifier, so to speak.

Sort of like the useless masks during the covid scamdemic.
Leftists suck, those fucking retarded assholes.

I've got the dumb ass fatigue; their bullshit has gotten so old at this point.
Do they ever look in the mirror and think to themselves WTF am I doing? Doh!
 
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GOPerfect said:
I have read her ruling.

Apparently, I am not smart enough to understand her legal reasoning.

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There is no reasoning. It's legal word salad. Just like "emanation of a penumbra" was the magic phrase the supreme court used to legalize abortion in all states decades ago. She wanted a certain outcome and she just winged it using vocabulary.

The founders were afraid of an imperial presidency that would behave just like a king. Not sure they ever envisioned hundreds of little kings and queens ruling from the judiciary. What is the remedy for this abuse of power?
 
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SonOfSun said:
In a related story... A man impersonating an FBI agent tried to get Luigi Mangione out of jail, authorities say.


WTF.
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"When the officers asked for his federal credentials, Anderson showed them a Minnesota driver’s license, threw numerous documents at them and claimed to have weapons, the criminal complaint said. Officers searched Anderson’s bag and found a barbecue fork and a circular steel blade, the complaint said. In a photo included in the complaint, the blade appeared to be a small pizza cutter wheel."

Silly boy didn't know you need a license to possess a pizza cutter in NY.
 
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Get outside, get in fights, get cut, fall out of trees, jump your 20" bike and bust your nuts, get your first kiss, get some boobs, run your mouth, have someone shut it for you, become a man.
 
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tirwin1 said:
What is the remedy for this abuse of power?
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normally I would say "accountability". If a judge blatantly rules against the Constitution, or deliberately rules in opposition to the facts, they get called up before their peers to explain their mistake. If no logical explanation is given they are summarily removed from the bench, permanently.

But, as we've seen (or rather NOT seen), no one is held accountable for their actions anymore. Except, maybe, us plebs.
 
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