9mm vs 45acp here we go

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meketrefe said:
Ok for the horse beatings sake and since the forum is new...

there we go again...

357 magnum

Technical Information

Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps
Muzzle Energy: 584 ft. lbs.

Of course there is hotter 357mag too. absurd in a small revolver though.



357SIG

Mid size 4" barrel

Muzzle Velocity: 1511 fps
Muzzle Energy: 634 ft. lbs.

This guy is one of the few serious people in youtube.
Here full power 357SIG gold dot underwood.

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You are too easy to provoke. The horse is dead but we can get you to elbow drop it over and over haha.

Is that 4 inch vs 4 inch? That's hot sig ammo.
 
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Willjr75 said:
There are exceptions. The .357 Magnum has a lot of case to work with that isn't used so at that time it was easy to build a good load unlike calibers with smaller cases.

This is why the .45 will never penetrate the frying pan. Not enough room for more powder.
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I have .45 acp that will penetrate any of your pans and .45 colt that will penetrate the kitchen wall after.
 
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ECU Pirates said:
Your statement on the .357 sig is only partially true. It does not do the same as the mag. It's no where near as versatile. 200 gr hard cast for hunting? Not with the sig. You have sand 9,9999 times the sig should be used in full size pistols (the small frames don't benefit much of the 9mm that I am aware of) I think you were only talking defense/law enforcement use though. The sig has drawbacks. It's loud and snappy from smaller guns. There are also other elite gov. agencies that carry 9mm.
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I agree.
 
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There is a place for everything. If one is restricted to a small barreled pistol and normal defense one might choose grain
vs. speed. Extra bore is a good way to introduce extra bore and a 45 hits like a bowling ball.
But if one has modern pistol with small frame they might choose a fast caliber with enough powder to move a 125 gr bullet
with higher or equivalent density of much heavier bullets and use it to penetrate.
This is important for police and military where they might be presented with situation they have shoot through doors and
glass. The SIG is expensive. My PD has it because they have the budget but others cannot afford it.
The 9mm and 40 cal continue to be optimal defense options too. Less weight more firepower, more hits.
The key is the training. more important for the average officer than anything else and they do not get enough of it.
some take this seriously and train, sadly many often on their own dime.
 
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Anyone who can shoot a hot 40 caliber accurately can shoot the 357 sig even more accurately. Flatter shooting.
A medium size pistol in fact matches and might even improve the speed and performance of the 357 magnum in the same barrel length
from a semiautomatic mid frame pistol. If you give it an extra inch even better.
15 round is a standard for a glock right?
 
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These rounds will expand as much as your .45 aceepee if not more and will outpenetrate it as well on harder barriers with a muzzle velocity of about 500fps more than the aceepee with the 124 gr....:ROFL::rock:

124 gr+P+

147 gr+P+
 
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ECU Pirates said:
I don't know haha. A box of 9mm? That is what I carry most of the time anyway! I will shoot through a frying pan like the one in the videos you posted with a .45 acp and factory ammo.
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I think we are going to have to do this! Lol.

In all honesty, I think the 185 gr+P with a 5 inch barrel will get the job done but I don't think a. 230 gr going at 850 fps would make it.

We will see.
 
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After that frying pan test, we are going to have to test the 147gr+P Hard Cast Flat Points against any .45 round of your choosing on a bear carcass!
 
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I have them both, I like them both. The gun you use for its intended purpose and how you control it is way more important than comparing either calibers that obviously both kill.
 
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I have a .45 as well. A Colt mark IV Series 70 in stainless. I actually carried that behemoth for a few years.
 
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ECU Pirates said:
Why? haha I carry the 9mm more than anything else. The full size 1911 weighs a ton!
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That was my first gun. I carried that thing even in the summer. I was so used to it and didn't know any better until my friend bought the XDS .45. it felt like a whole pound lighter.

I couldn't believe the weight difference so I got an XDS in 9mm for the extra rounds and then I saw the light!

That sweet versatile 9mm.
 
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Willjr75 said:
Recoil in my experience has depended on the actual gun itself. A Ruger LCP in .380 to me has the same felt recoil as a .40 S&W unlike a Glock 42 in .380 which felt like almost nothing.

In 9mm, my Glock 26 has way less recoil than my 9mm XDS I used to have.

You might be better served with a full sized 9mm like a Glock 19 or 17.

Smaller guns are more snappy than their full sized counterparts.
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What Willi said above hits the nail on the head. MyG21 handles the recoil better than my G26...it's a larger framed pistol. It also has more of a "heavy push" backwards opposed to any "snap" from 9mm or 40S&W.
 
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gun_slinger_boy said:
Glocks in general aren't much fun to shoot. They are extremely reliable but there's really nothing special about the plastic brick. No character, unlike a nice 1911 or revolver.
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I have to disagree as well. When shooting my G21 along with various friend's 1911's (Kimbers, Springfield's, RIA, etc.) there are ALWAYS comments on how nice and light the G21 is compared to all others. And even with that overall lightness, it still has less perceived felt recoil to most shooters trying it...making most of their response's to be that of "that was really nice to shoot...". And yes, the reliability isn't even something that can be argued, IMO. One range session with my G21 and my buddy's prized Kimber had him salivating over the weight difference, the perceived felt recoil, and the fact that the G21 wasn't hiccuping (at least once) during every magazine.

Obviously just a counter opinion, anyone else's MMV.
 
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