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What red highlight part?
9th Circuit OPEN CARRY Ruling OVERTURNED?
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nortatoga
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My signature that you point too!
Marine Cpl
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Read the next decision.
nortatoga
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You didn't read the link I posted in #26 did you?
Marine Cpl
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It's irrelevant for the reasons I told you about earlier.
nortatoga
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Wrong again McDonald did not overturn the previous SOUTUS rulings/opinions that are in my Signature!
Marine Cpl
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The McDonald decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.
Marine Cpl
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Damn. It's amazing at what lengths you go to defend gun control.
nortatoga
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Not really Will. What is in the ruling in my signature was not over ruled. Basically it is what any 2A case coming after are going to be up against. To win a Concealed Carry case Robertson v Baldwin would need to be overturned (FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.)
Defending gun control Not at all! Stating the facts is not defending. And if you would do the research you would find that these concealed weapons bans were originally for knives as there were not many concealable hand guns.
And if you can find anything researching that supports your opinion post it and I will gladly read it ( Founding Father Quote's don't get it done, Sorry)
Marine Cpl
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Weren't we talking about states ignoring the Constitution? I mean you posted a link containing the Constitution of multiple states.
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I wish 100 plus outlaw Gangs would follow them all them gun control laws .. it would be unicorn land ..
i guess the murder laws on the books have been jury nullified ...
nortatoga
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Yes Will, But prior to 2010 the States were not ignoring the Constitution as the Second Amendment only pertained to the Federal Government!
In another thread you said Fuck Heller and Fuck the Courts!
Well the Heller case established the individual right to bear arms! Which lead to McDonald v Chicago which incorporated the Second Amendment to the States under the 14th Amendment. So for 219 years the 2A did not apply to the States. Which is why I posted that link for the States.
Incorporation of the Bill of Rights - Wikipedia
Prior to the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment and the development of the incorporation doctrine, the Supreme Court in 1833 held in Barron v. Baltimore that the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal, but not any state governments. Even years after the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Supreme Court in United States v. Cruikshank (1876) still held that the First and Second Amendment did not apply to state governments. However, beginning in the 1920s, a series of United States Supreme Court decisions interpreted the Fourteenth Amendment to "incorporate" most portions of the Bill of Rights, making these portions, for the first time, enforceable against the state governments.
In the 2010 landmark case McDonald v. Chicago, the Supreme Court declared the Second Amendment is incorporated through the Due Process Clause. However, Justice Thomas, the fifth justice in the majority, criticized substantive due process and declared instead that he reached the same incorporation only through the Privileges or Immunities Clause.[21] No other justice attempted to question his rationale. This is considered by some as a "revival" of the Privileges or Immunities Clause,[22] however as it is a concurring opinion and not the majority opinion in the case, it is not binding precedent in lower courts; it is merely an indication that SCOTUS may be inclined, given the proper question, to reconsider and ultimately reverse the Slaughterhouse Cases.
There is plenty of reading on this if you search under Incorporation of the Second Amendment (or BOR's)
nortatoga
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Marine Cpl
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You just don't get it do you?
nortatoga
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Sorry Will it is you who don't get it! Prove what I posted is wrong!
Marine Cpl
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It's been proven to you that people concealed carried, had machine guns, had cannons, ect when the 2A was written. It was also proved to you that other Amendments in the BILL of Rights have clear, written restrictions on their amendments unlike the 2nd.
Any decision from a court or law that goes against it is a clear violation. You can accept these violations with bamboozled court rulings or you cannot. That's entirely up to you.
nortatoga
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You didn't read about incorporation did you?
Marine Cpl
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I did. Means nothing. You didn't think that GW wanted the citizenry to have arms but wanted the State to take them away now do you? It's a clear case of infringements until a court said that they couldn't do it anymore and to this day is still ignored.
Once you realize that the system is broken and corrupt, you'll see what I'm saying. Until then, keep defending the government and their infringements. Keep quoting decisions that clearly go against the 2A.They love people like you.
30 years from now if SCOTUS makes another corrupt decision, there will be another person like you quoting that decision as gospel and defending future infringements.
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nortatoga
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Did you even finish High School?
Marine Cpl
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Yes. Apparently you didn't since you can't read and understand the other amendments that have clear restrictions unlike the 2nd that says, "Shall not be infringed."
nortatoga
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The BOR's did not apply to the States, prove that is not true!
Marine Cpl
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They always did. They were illegally not paying attention to it until a court said that they had to. Jeez man. What is wrong with you?
nortatoga
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Just your opinion, that's not proof!
Marine Cpl
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It's not an opinion. If something is declared unconstitutional, it always was unconstitutional. It's just that a court finally got it.
When DC had a handgun ban it wasn't good to go consitutionally until a court said that it wasn't. It was always in violation.
nortatoga
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Again you give no proof just opinion!
There is plenty of information online that proves you wrong, post something tat proves you right!
There is plenty of information online that proves you wrong, post something tat proves you right!
Marine Cpl
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Boy. You really have a comprehension problem. When something is in violation, it always was in violation. You don't need proof for that. I can't believe I'm even wasting my time on this with you.
I guess when you did something wrong as a kid, it was always right and good until your parents said that it wasn't right?
nortatoga
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Can't prove anything can you?
Marine Cpl
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Jesus. You really are a simpleton.
nortatoga
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Really and I'm the one who is doing the research and posting facts! I was waiting for you to start the name calling and insults!
Marine Cpl
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Your research shows when something was ruled unconstitutional. That doesn't mean that it was constitutional before that. If it was, it wouldn't have been ruled unconstitutional.
I'm done here. There is just so much a rational mind can take.
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