AB-0360: The Worst Gun Control Bill in New York History!
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Cavalry
.308 Win
I hope is passes. It will be 2 years of pain but some SC rulings striking down and prohibiting further infringements would be fine with me. This draconian shit might be what gets the fudds off their ass.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
You’ll fail the mental health check and then all your guns will be gone.
Anyone know when this crap will be voted on. My son will be going for his permit.
Anyone know when this crap will be voted on. My son will be going for his permit.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yeah, right.
Robin
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Mental health providers are already required to report you if you're a danger to yourself or others. Which is, mind you, still a violation of doctor / patient privileges.
Mental health insurance will go through the roof for providers. No one will do these in fear they won't be covered. A patient shoots someone and their practice is toast.
No evaluations == no rights. No rights == no freedom. No freedom == citizens have to choose how they want to proceed with the ruling government.
Mental health insurance will go through the roof for providers. No one will do these in fear they won't be covered. A patient shoots someone and their practice is toast.
No evaluations == no rights. No rights == no freedom. No freedom == citizens have to choose how they want to proceed with the ruling government.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Some said that about the safe act ... yet here we are. worse than ever
Bozo
.45 acp
The Senate version is sponsored by that violent shitweasel Kevin Parker. We should require mental health tests for legislators.
Will never be coming.
We got Heller...NY ignored it.
We got Bruen...NY ignored it.
Now they won't even bother taking a new case.
The S.C. is not going to save us.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
This bill seems to be mostly recycled crap from the past:
legiscan.com
The concept of "good moral character" has been deemed subjective and not in compliance with a shall-issue mandate.
One impressively obnoxious twist is their trying to require a hunting license for purchase of a rifle or shotgun. I'm no hunter, but I know that such a license entails a whole other set of classes and a test that is not offered year round.
They'll pass this.
They know this is blatantly unconstitutional in the post-Bruen era.
They do not care. They know it will take years to overturn.
New York A00360 | 2025-2026 | General Assembly
Bill Text (2025-01-08) Relates to establishing additional requirements to purchase a firearm, shotgun or rifle; requires a person to apply for a hunting license prior to the purchase of a shotgun or rifle; establishes additional requirements for all firearms, shotguns and rifles including taking a f
The concept of "good moral character" has been deemed subjective and not in compliance with a shall-issue mandate.
One impressively obnoxious twist is their trying to require a hunting license for purchase of a rifle or shotgun. I'm no hunter, but I know that such a license entails a whole other set of classes and a test that is not offered year round.
40 § 400.25 Purchase of rifles and shotguns.
1. Prior to the purchase of any rifle or shotgun, a person shall apply for a hunting license pursuant to article eleven of the environmental conservation law.
They'll pass this.
They know this is blatantly unconstitutional in the post-Bruen era.
They do not care. They know it will take years to overturn.
I agree, the SCOTUS is not going to help us.
Their rulings are very narrow and easily "gone around" by determined legislatures.
Unless we can make a law that a Bill must pass constitutional scrutiny BEFORE it passes, we get nothing.
For instance......
Everyone is all giddy about an "assault weapon" ban case.
Why? Here in NYS we are allowed to own them.
If anyone believes the SCOTUS will, in one decision, make all cosmetic features legal, you don't know how the SCOTUS works.
They first have to say these weapons are legal to own....case done.....but we in NY can already own them.
Then you need separate cases for detachable magazines and features. This will literally take decades.
Every AW ban case I've seen presented to the SCOTUS has been for a COMPLETE ban of modern sporting rifles.
That does NOTHING for NYS......in my opinion.
I will caution you to research Aaron Dorr and the "associations" he's created in the past in other States before sending him contributions, ones that only once in the decade that he's been here. (well a Mail Boxes Etc. in Victor, NY) ever actually made it to Court (and I'm not sure that case represented by Paloma(sp) even got that far.
The ASSembly comes up with all sorts of bullshit like this, often shooting for the Moon with satisfaction just getting a piece of it passed through Committee and then Ways and Means, so while we have to be vigilant and keep pressure on both sides, most all of it comes down to Money: Money to fight the Bill and Money to get it passed.
Unless you've got standing and at least two million dollars to spend, SCOTUS isn't likely to grant certiorari
byron
.308 Win
for those that don't know this course can be done online
New York Online Hunter Safety Course | Hunter-ed.com
The official New York hunter safety course for your hunting license. Learn online on any device and print out your certificate. Study the course for free!
www.hunter-ed.com
If you own a gun, you are insane.............
This is just a Hochu/James attack on Trump voters...............no Dr will certify you as sane enough to own a gun...........bet on it.....legal liability and all.
Shooting course? How do you certify a shotgun's pellet spread? Shooting Trap and Skeet?
A lack of criminal history is not enough? A Hunting License is proof that you are an insane killer................
I do not believe that this will pass.......HIPPA
This is just a Hochu/James attack on Trump voters...............no Dr will certify you as sane enough to own a gun...........bet on it.....legal liability and all.
Shooting course? How do you certify a shotgun's pellet spread? Shooting Trap and Skeet?
A lack of criminal history is not enough? A Hunting License is proof that you are an insane killer................
I do not believe that this will pass.......HIPPA
For High School kids to participate in Trap or other Shooting sports, they have to complete the Hunter Safety Course...buying a Licenses is optional (IIRC). The demand to purchase a Hunting Licenses before being allowed to buy a Gun in NY has been floated around for years and in true incremental fashion, may well be implemented.for those that don't know this course can be done online
New York Online Hunter Safety Course | Hunter-ed.com
The official New York hunter safety course for your hunting license. Learn online on any device and print out your certificate. Study the course for free!
I've carped on this before and will again: We're dealing with the NYC B.L.A.C. Caucus, and these folks only see the City and crime associated with it, they are largely ignorant (literally) and care not for "hunting" as that's what the Rednecks and hicks upstate do, and since we're considered the minority in both Republican Representation and Population, our Rights and Laws effecting us are of little to no consideration.
Should ever the opportunity present, one should actually sit and talk to our Representatives about what goes on in the Legislature, at least then you'll understand why weapons are prohibited there.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Whole entire set of legalities and liabilities of a mental health provider needs to say you’re fit to have a gun. Not many of any would put their life on the line to say you can buy a gun.
No, we're not.
We're permitted to own a neutered version. But not the real thing. NY's law is still a "gun ban case" if it were ever brought to court.
I doubt you need to get so granular.
It's already been said that even a law restricting magazine size is a "gun ban case". All SCOTUS needs to do is rule that the 2nd protects ALL items that can be used for offense or defense (gee....didn't they do that already?) and it's over.
Don't care.
I'm not buying shotguns and rifles to hunt.
And having to take that course EVERY TIME I want to buy a new shotgun or rifle is complete bullshit!
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Every case I've read over the last 10 years has dealt with complete AW bans, like the Snopes case and what's happening in Illinois.
These cases will ONLY decide if Americans are able to own AWs. Here in NY, we are allowed to own and buy them.
This is why there are separate cases dealing with magazine bans, suppressor bans......
Cosmetic features are not part of a single case I've seen presented for Cert in recent years.
So, if during the court case the defendants say "ok, we will allow AW like NY", the case will become moot, and be dismissed.
Otherwise the SCOTUS could just say all guns, all parts, all the time.....thats not how these cases work from my understanding.
I get my information mostly from Anthony Miranda and Mark Smith, who knows more about how this works than most people.
Again, this is the information they are sharing after decades of experience in these cases.
And no, they will never make a law saying you can have ALL items that can be used offensively or defensively. That is what the 2nd says, but the anti gunners will test each item, which can take years.
This is why we have had cases dealing with pepper spray, body armor, stun guns, auto knives...sinse Heller.
Oh and, not being able to ban "entire classes of guns", NYS legal rifles and Texas legal rifles are in the same "class".
So, NY has not banned a class of firearms, they banned features.
We don't have an AW ban, we have a features ban, which are not covered in any current AW case before SCOTUS.
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Last time I read the law it defined "assault weapon" as a semi-auto with certain features, which it then banned.
We cannot own "assault weapons" (as defined by the Democrats) in NY.
We can only own limited semi-auto rifles/shotguns.
A semi-auto with a detachable magazine is a "class of firearm". Even if you're using the same receivers as one with a detachable magazine.
It is, at its core, a "gun ban".
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
I believe that's the plan. I AM SO GLAD Im outa that shit hole
Good luck people, this is a new level of stupid