Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?
- Thread starter Beerman
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Old Jalopy
.45 acp
I'm still looking for any sort of proof there was actually any case heard about this last Friday.
@goldie
Our laws are actually worse than CA. At least CA has some clarification on what parts make an AR compliant.
@goldie
Our laws are actually worse than CA. At least CA has some clarification on what parts make an AR compliant.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Worse for who? Us of course, they want them vague and this is by design. I’ve heard some people say this is all you need to do and it will make this rifle compliant but I don’t believe it.
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
I know it's meant to be vague and ambiguous. If you think about it, the whole law and the unwillingness to come out and state what's OK and what isn't is actually entrapment. Which is illegal in its own right. But so are gun registries, yet here we are in a thread about a veiled gun registry using ammo background checks as the facade.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
Not really correct. Laws and regulations (administrative laws) proscribe things which are unlawful, or violations. They do not describe, define, or outline what falls *within* the boundaries of that law or regulation.
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
I'm not incorrect. I'm just in that area where the laws are there, but a person would be hard pressed to win a case. Like the cop who sits and waits outside a bar to catch someone drinking and driving. The problem is going before a judge who would uphold the statute. Without definition, technically there can be no law broken if no law is defined. But this is NY, and cops and judges get to make up the laws as they go, or at least so it seems.
A case brought by the New York State Firearms Association?
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
From last Friday, yes.
I believe NYSFA to be a questionable organization, one that begs for money insisting they will change the Laws, take Cases to Court, and generally resolve all the anti-gun woes we're enduring, but to date they haven't accomplished jack schitt.
I have ZERO faith or trust, and if you do some investigating I expect you too will come to the same conclusion.
They may claim to be in it for the gun owners of NY, but I expect they're only in it for the money.
2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California residents don’t have to pay for and pass a background check every time they buy bullets, a federal judge has ruled. The Tuesday ruling by U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez took effect immediately
if Cali cant do it we certainly dont have to do it!!!!
if Cali cant do it we certainly dont have to do it!!!!
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
I don't have much trust in any of those organizations, really. I'll donate to GOA when I have a few bucks to spare. It bothers me that people are giving up hard-earned money while most of them say call, email, or write your senators to stop this. Um, that's why people give you money, jack asses. I've always felt if I'm paying for a service, I best get that service, or I won't continue to pay. I wouldn't give a mechanic $1,000 to fix my car for him to tell me to fix it myself. Maybe it's just me to expect to get what I pay for.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
Can't see it.....
Bustedknees
.308 Win
I'm in the ADK, I'll try a YouTube link later.
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
My browser and ad blockers block any SDK from any site.
What I find ridiculous is that he mentions how Hochul's attorney's argue that Ammo is not part of the 2nd. Even if it wasn't who gave the Government any authority to say it isn't? Are they Kings and Queens? Was it voted on? Whatever Hochul wants?? Fuck no!
Bustedknees
.308 Win
New York Ammo Background Check Law Upheld
The Empire State’s requirement that gun owners pass a background check for every ammunition purchase is constitutional, a federal judge has ruled.
thereload.com
Learn more
The New York State Firearms Association (NYSFA) and four individuals sued to block the enforcement of New York's law on background checks for ammunition sales, but a court denied their motion for a preliminary injunction, allowing the law to remain in effect.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- The Law:
New York's Concealed Carry Improvement Act (CCIA) of 2022, which mandates background checks for ammunition sales, was challenged by the NYSFA and four individuals.
- The Lawsuit:
The lawsuit, filed in September 2023, argued against the constitutionality of the background checks, which took effect in 2023 and required customers to pay a fee of $2.50 per transaction.
- Court Decision:
A federal judge denied a preliminary injunction against New York's ammunition background checks, finding that the plaintiffs had not shown a likelihood of success on the merits and allowing the law to remain active throughout the ongoing litigation.
- Background:
The NYSFA and other gun rights advocates argued that the background check system impedes ammunition sales with "frequent delays, outages and other malfunctions".
- State's Response:
The New York State Police (NYSP) established a statewide license and record database specific for ammunition sales to address issues with New York's 2013 requirement of background checks for ammo sales, which officials suspended due to perceived infeasibility.
- Ongoing Litigation:
The case is still ongoing, and the court's decision only allowed the law to remain in effect pending the duration of the litigation.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
I'm at a total loss if this really happened. I took the advice and searched for a docket number but came up dry. some of you members say this is a scam,, but court history say's they did take this to the courts. A loss, but they did do it.
I have sent them money in the past but at this point , not again..
I have sent them money in the past but at this point , not again..
Bustedknees
.308 Win
The 2nd circuit just MIGHT surprise us.....probably not, but maybe.
They are not the worst circuit court in the nation, and they did knock out a COUPLE aspects of the CCIA last year.
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
That's from May 2024.AI OverviewNew York Ammo Background Check Law Upheld
The Empire State’s requirement that gun owners pass a background check for every ammunition purchase is constitutional, a federal judge has ruled.
Learn more
The New York State Firearms Association (NYSFA) and four individuals sued to block the enforcement of New York's law on background checks for ammunition sales, but a court denied their motion for a preliminary injunction, allowing the law to remain in effect.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- The Law:
New York's Concealed Carry Improvement Act (CCIA) of 2022, which mandates background checks for ammunition sales, was challenged by the NYSFA and four individuals.
- The Lawsuit:
The lawsuit, filed in September 2023, argued against the constitutionality of the background checks, which took effect in 2023 and required customers to pay a fee of $2.50 per transaction.
- Court Decision:
A federal judge denied a preliminary injunction against New York's ammunition background checks, finding that the plaintiffs had not shown a likelihood of success on the merits and allowing the law to remain active throughout the ongoing litigation.
- Background:
The NYSFA and other gun rights advocates argued that the background check system impedes ammunition sales with "frequent delays, outages and other malfunctions".
- State's Response:
The New York State Police (NYSP) established a statewide license and record database specific for ammunition sales to address issues with New York's 2013 requirement of background checks for ammo sales, which officials suspended due to perceived infeasibility.
- Ongoing Litigation:
The case is still ongoing, and the court's decision only allowed the law to remain in effect pending the duration of the litigation.
Vicarious
.40 S&W
Talking to an LGS near here yesterday, asked them how this has effected their ammo sales, guy told me he barely sells any now, says it may put him out of business, at least for ammo, when PA is less than 30 M away, why would anyone want to pay NY.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
Ya, I included that to show that NYSFA actually did fight this in court, so they're not a complete scam outfit.
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
Gotcha.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
Sorry another Facebook link. It's all I have.
Vicarious
.40 S&W
Its a godamn poll tax. You dont need to pay cash to vote, why should you need to pay cash to exercise your 2nd Amendment Rights. And, YES, it can take several hours to get an approval. LGS told me, hes had multiple people wait 20-30-60minutes and say Eff this I aint waiting any longer. I've been saying its a poll tax for near 2 years.
