Ammo sales from individual to another
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2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
I think a good/fair question.
repete
.338 Win Mag
I did have a lot to post here, then thought about it and realized it was based on opinion and not facts, so, I'll wait and watch!
Everything I've read in both NYSAFE and CCIA regarding transfer of ammunition has been in relation to SALES AT A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT. I haven't found anything prohibiting the private transfer of ammunition.
Take that for what it's worth. The CCIA and NYSAFE legislations are lengthy, convoluted, and frequently reference other parts of established law.
Take that for what it's worth. The CCIA and NYSAFE legislations are lengthy, convoluted, and frequently reference other parts of established law.
I called a gun store, they said you can only either buy it from a dealer or have it shipped to a gun store.You cant even go in and transfer it from 1 guy to another. I cant believe if this is true how bad its gotten here.I hope someone chimes in with different information.....
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
The gun shop is not going to tell you it's ok. They want you to buy ammo from THEM.
Just take a look in the classified section right here on this forum. There is ammo for sale in every flavor you want. Sole person to person. No ffl involved. If it was an issue, you wouldn't find it listed.
Y'all are more paranoid than I am !!
Yea, I'm going to call bullshit on the Shop: They're happy to do or tell people they're exclusive to any transfers because they're going to benefit financially from it.
There are two new lines on the latest revision of Form 4473 that asks if the purchaser is going to transfer guns/ammo to someone else.
ATF Form 4473 - Firearms Transaction Record Revisions | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Nothing I've read in the ridiculous NY laws precludes two individuals from exchanging ammo any more than buying someone's used lawn mower in the parking lot of a Dollar General.
There IS NO background check available for ammo transfers. None. NY never created it like they were supposed to when SAFE passed, and the feds told them piss up a rooe, they're not tying up NICS for FUDDS to buy a 5 round box of turkey shot.
There IS NO background check available for ammo transfers. None. NY never created it like they were supposed to when SAFE passed, and the feds told them piss up a rooe, they're not tying up NICS for FUDDS to buy a 5 round box of turkey shot.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
If you want to be extra safe just ask the individual buying your ammo their name, address, occupation, and record this in a book with any identifying ammo characteristics. That’s all that is required right now. I’m half joking. This shit is vague and confusing for this very reason. The government wants to track everything you do.
This to me is a grey area. It says to sell ammo in NYS you need to be a seller of ammunition and largely the only requirement is to fill out a form, have a business license and not be a felon.
It’s a joke and do you pay taxes on everything you sell person to person like you’re supposed to? Can you give your buddy a box of ammo to shoot while you’re standing there? How far will this go. I load a rifle and hand it to my friend to shoot is that illegal? Common sense at some point has to prevail here. I would say if you’re selling a few boxes here and there just do it but if it’s a regular thing it may become an issue.
This to me is a grey area. It says to sell ammo in NYS you need to be a seller of ammunition and largely the only requirement is to fill out a form, have a business license and not be a felon.
It’s a joke and do you pay taxes on everything you sell person to person like you’re supposed to? Can you give your buddy a box of ammo to shoot while you’re standing there? How far will this go. I load a rifle and hand it to my friend to shoot is that illegal? Common sense at some point has to prevail here. I would say if you’re selling a few boxes here and there just do it but if it’s a regular thing it may become an issue.
OwnTheRide
.223 Rem
In this state? Hah.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Sell ammunition. 
2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
I think he's also sorta saying common sense along the lines of Private Sellers and Buyers??
I hope?!
I hope?!
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
ManualF150
.308 Win
How about when my home ammunition maker thingy makes a complete round? Does that constitute I need to ask my Dillon it's background information on every round? Or after every box I fill with it?
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Yes this is what I meant. I shoot with my children so if I can sell or transfer ammo to a private citizen at I supposed to make my kids go buy their own ammo and have two boxes of .22’s out when we shoot the rifle together? He loads the mags he shoots out of his box and I load mine out of my box?
Yes there are laws but then there’s common sense. I’ve done some things legally just to protect certain things like on paper. I gave my son all my semi auto rifles because he was 18 and and with the licensing and age of ownership going to 21 years old legally they are his now. There’s also a precision to loan a gun to someone for hunting so if I get caught with the rifles I don’t show the cops the email. If he get caught with the rifle he shows them the email.
In this case if I was the OP I’d find someone I know and just sell or buy from them and be done with it. I will go to PA and buy ammo from now on and my kids can use whatever ammo they want whenever they want. Is it legal? I dunno know anymore but I’ll keep doing it because the other way makes no common sense to me at all. I can also just give my kids all my long guns so why wouldn’t I be able to provide them ammo??
Shadow rider
6.5 Creedmoor
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Not worth going through all that shit. I’m better of just going to another state. I can’t be bothered. This fucking state is so messed up.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
don't make it business or you will need this ..
FAQ
"What is the registration requirement in NYS?
If you are a dealer in firearms licensed pursuant to section 400.00 of the New York State Penal Law (i.e., you have a New York State firearms dealer license), you will be automatically registered by the New York State Police as a seller of ammunition and do not need to take any further action. Your FFL number will serve as your registration number.
FFL’s only with no New York State Dealers license must complete the Seller of Ammunition Registration form below.
If you are not currently a New York State firearms dealer, you must complete the Seller of Ammunition Registration form below. "
gunsafety.ny.gov
FAQ
"What is the registration requirement in NYS?
If you are a dealer in firearms licensed pursuant to section 400.00 of the New York State Penal Law (i.e., you have a New York State firearms dealer license), you will be automatically registered by the New York State Police as a seller of ammunition and do not need to take any further action. Your FFL number will serve as your registration number.
FFL’s only with no New York State Dealers license must complete the Seller of Ammunition Registration form below.
If you are not currently a New York State firearms dealer, you must complete the Seller of Ammunition Registration form below. "
Ammunition Registration
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
like a lot number will help in solving a crime ... 150K rounds all listed with same lot number .. all sold in many states ..
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Slacker43
.40 S&W
Do you follow every traffic law? Do you get on nydmv.com before you drive to work everyday? Just live your fucking llife. This thread is the answer to the question of will we as a group ever stand up against this bullshit. Just sad.
I'm still trying to find this requirement in the new laws.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I'm still trying to find this requirement in the new laws.
First paragraph for ammo sellers.
gunsafety.ny.gov
First paragraph for ammo sellers.
Ammunition Registration
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Background checks are now slated to take effect September of this year.
Is there any background check now required for purchasers of ammunition?
Not yet. The law provides that background check requirements imposed on all retail sellers of ammunition are scheduled to take effect on September 13, 2023.ManualF150
.308 Win
Damnnnnn, bro! I better go out to the shop and inform my Dillon... I hope it doesn't have a "naughty" history.
Next question, if the Dillon fails it's background check, does that mean I can't use it no more?
Should I go call the NYSP, and pose these questions when this takes effect in September? See what they have to say about it?
Next question, if the Dillon fails it's background check, does that mean I can't use it no more?
Should I go call the NYSP, and pose these questions when this takes effect in September? See what they have to say about it?
repete
.338 Win Mag
You have nothing to worry about, your Dillion is blue, that's the libs choice of color. On the other hand I use a lot of Lee stuff and that's all red, I'm fucked!Damnnnnn, bro! I better go out to the shop and inform my Dillon... I hope it doesn't have a "naughty" history.
Next question, if the Dillon fails it's background check, does that mean I can't use it no more?
Should I go call the NYSP, and pose these questions when this takes effect in September? See what they have to say about it?