Ammo scarcity and hunting 2021

[Deplorable Me]

I see some 9mm, .45, .223 and .308 coming back. The bulk target and practice type. Some buckshot and shotgun suitable for trap. Some rimfire. I did see 12 gauge waterfowl steel and turkey loads in the spring.

I'm not seeing hunting loads for rifle hitting the market. .30-30? .243? 30.06? Pretty common stuff. Slugs?

Deer and small game year 2021 could be an interesting year.

I'm not even seeing reloading components for big game rifles.

 

[Deplorable Me]

My brother may have to set up deer snares this year.

 

[Jmac00]

LOL, don't care, I reloaded enough ammo to keep me practicing and shooting for at least another year. By then, "maybe" I'll need to buy some because now Im out of primers LOL no problem, in a year or so, they will make a comeback

 

[Jmac00]

My brother may have to set up deer snares this year.

do what the inner city guys claim, sit in a tree and when a deer walks under you, drop out of the tree and stab the deer to death

 

[Deplorable Me]

do what the inner city guys claim, sit in a tree and when a deer walks under you, drop out of the tree and stab the deer to death

Roadkill deer jerky may be on the menu.

 

[timboy]

I've got enough .308 to get me through as long as sighting in a new scope doesn't chew through too much but I haven't been able to find sabotted 12ga slugs since January when I bought a rifled barrel for my Remington 870.

 

[1075tech]

I have enough of what I need for hunting for the rest of my life.

 

[C_staz]

Wally has some coming in. Seen a few stores with 30-30 and .22

 

[Acer-m14]

Hornell walmart had 3 shelfs full of clay pigeons ,, not one box shells of any cal or ga .. last Friday ..

 

[repete]

I'm looking good on ammo, doesn't matter store or reloads. It doesn't take much when you fire one round to verify the scope and one round at a deer, one box of 20 last 10 years!

 

[FP1201]

I have enough of what I need for hunting for the rest of my life.

I shoot an odd caliber and decided years ago to stock up on Factory Ammo, and Brass.....376 Steyr schmucks 'em pretty good!

 

[1075tech]

I shoot an odd caliber and decided years ago to stock up on Factory Ammo, and Brass.....376 Steyr schmucks 'em pretty good!

If I ever use all my 308, 243, 6.5 grendel, 357, 44, 12ga, 30-30, and 22, I'll start on my 7.7 and 6.5 Japanese

 

[Robin]

I have friends that work for what used to be traditional all American companies with all American values and six months ago, over night they sent out company statements reflecting that they have gone full progressive wokism! What the EF is going on?
I don't believe for a second this 'ammo shortage' isn't contrived. People are getting got to!
There may have been a dip in availability at one time but this long drawn out "shortage" is bullshit, shortage of component parts is bull shit!
If they cannot supply the American shooting public with ammo, imagine if there was a real shooting war going on. Well the truth is, they can supply the American shooting public and the whole shortage thing is contrived!
Robin

 

[1075tech]

I have friends that work for what used to be traditional all American companies with all American values and six months ago, over night they sent out company statements reflecting that they have gone full progressive wokism! What the EF is going on?
I don't believe for a second this 'ammo shortage' isn't contrived. People are getting got to!
There may have been a dip in availability at one time but this long drawn out "shortage" is bullshit, shortage of component parts is bull shit!
If they cannot supply the American shooting public with ammo, imagine if there was a real shooting war going on. Well the truth is, they can supply the American shooting public and the whole shortage thing is contrived!
Robin

I've been saying this for a while. I understand the "sudden" increase in demand. I can understand some supply chain and materials disruptions with the scamdemic. My industry has been dealing with some of that ourselves. (Factory orders for 20# and 120 gallon cylinders are estimated to ship in the spring). But at some point, as people get back to work, this stuff eventually works through. It's been a year and a half. I'm having a hard time believing that some of it isn't purposeful.

 

[Modean]

I have friends that work for what used to be traditional all American companies with all American values and six months ago, over night they sent out company statements reflecting that they have gone full progressive wokism! What the EF is going on?
I don't believe for a second this 'ammo shortage' isn't contrived. People are getting got to!
There may have been a dip in availability at one time but this long drawn out "shortage" is bullshit, shortage of component parts is bull shit!
If they cannot supply the American shooting public with ammo, imagine if there was a real shooting war going on. Well the truth is, they can supply the American shooting public and the whole shortage thing is contrived!
Robin

And was there a major change in the political power structure in Washington about six months ago?

 

[FP1201]

I have friends that work for what used to be traditional all American companies with all American values and six months ago, over night they sent out company statements reflecting that they have gone full progressive wokism! What the EF is going on?
I don't believe for a second this 'ammo shortage' isn't contrived. People are getting got to!
There may have been a dip in availability at one time but this long drawn out "shortage" is bullshit, shortage of component parts is bull shit!
If they cannot supply the American shooting public with ammo, imagine if there was a real shooting war going on. Well the truth is, they can supply the American shooting public and the whole shortage thing is contrived!
Robin

Well the Manufacturers certainly have plausible deniability: Remington Ammunition Plant Closed down (ammunition, Primers, Components)
COVID and get paid to stay at home certainly decimated production of both components and finished products. Winchester was awarded the Military ammunition Contract and diverted all resources to that. Fiocchi and Sig are both building Ammo Plants in Arkansas, Hodgdon owns most of the Powder Production in the US. and they're flat out.
Seven million new gun owners needed ammo for their acquisitions.
End of the World preppers and horders bought up everything they could find, as well as those late to the game figuring they'd better get another box or two of their flavor.
That shit-show of a Presidential Election had plenty ready to lock & load, or at least set aside for a coming rainstorm.
There's probably a dozen more viable reasons why, but the bottom line is this: nobody's got a lot of anything to sell, Prices are higher than a coon's ass, and it'll take years to refill the pipeline....remember when Hillary was presumed to be the next POTUS? Primers when they could be found were upwards of $20 a hundred, and .22's were $75. or more a Brick....they came down when supply increased, and I expect the same will happen again.

 

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[fnfalguy]

Shockingly, the local Walmart had 150 grain Remmy 30-30 this AM when I went in for some sundries. Guy said it came in last night and he had 8 boxes on the shelf.

 

[tc556guy]

I see some 9mm, .45, .223 and .308 coming back. The bulk target and practice type. Some buckshot and shotgun suitable for trap. Some rimfire. I did see 12 gauge waterfowl steel and turkey loads in the spring.

I'm not seeing hunting loads for rifle hitting the market. .30-30? .243? 30.06? Pretty common stuff. Slugs?

Deer and small game year 2021 could be an interesting year.

I'm not even seeing reloading components for big game rifles.

I've had this conversation with my sales reps, specifically about hunting calibers.
They call every few days offering me yet another variant of 308; I've run out of room on the 308 shelf and have started trimming down the numbers of cases they send me in that caliber. I'll probably regret that come hunting season when I sell out of whatever 308/ 7.62 x 51 I have, but its a long time 'til opening day and bills for unsold ammo can't go unpaid.

I said to my sales rep that hunting season was not that far off and I wasn't getting offered any of the standard hunting calibers. No 243, 270, 30-30. I get maybe a case of 6.5 Creedmoor a month, and that's usually gone in a day. Dwindling amounts of some hunting calibers still on the shelf from last season, but once the serious rush from hunters starts, those wont last long. I'm already almost out of 280, for instance....

Of course the sales rep sputter about nothing being available...but my regulars don't believe me anymore because they're able to buy so much stuff at the on-line ammo places and have it shipped to me. I've believed for some time that they're funneling anything they get to their bigger accounts, and small FFLs like me get offered the dregs of whatever is left over.

I suspect that a lot of the guys who went to rifles last year when we finally were approved for rifle hunting will be breaking out the shotguns this fall because rifle ammo will be next to impossible to find....

It's not just hunting calibers; after a year and a half I have yet to be offered any of the extensive CCI rimfire varieties I have had on back-order

 

[FP1201]

I've had this conversation with my sales reps, specifically about hunting calibers.
They call every few days offering me yet another variant of 308; I've run out of room on the 308 shelf and have started trimming down the numbers of cases they send me in that caliber. I'll probably regret that come hunting season when I sell out of whatever 308/ 7.62 x 51 I have, but its a long time 'til opening day and bills for unsold ammo can't go unpaid.

I said to my sales rep that hunting season was not that far off and I wasn't getting offered any of the standard hunting calibers. No 243, 270, 30-30. I get maybe a case of 6.5 Creedmoor a month, and that's usually gone in a day. Dwindling amounts of some hunting calibers still on the shelf from last season, but once the serious rush from hunters starts, those wont last long. I'm already almost out of 280, for instance....

Of course the sales rep sputter about nothing being available...but my regulars don't believe me anymore because they're able to buy so much stuff at the on-line ammo places and have it shipped to me. I've believed for some time that they're funneling anything they get to their bigger accounts, and small FFLs like me get offered the dregs of whatever is left over.

I suspect that a lot of the guys who went to rifles last year when we finally were approved for rifle hunting will be breaking out the shotguns this fall because rifle ammo will be next to impossible to find....

It's not just hunting calibers; after a year and a half I have yet to be offered any of the extensive CCI rimfire varieties I have had on back-order

Being a subscriber to your list, I'd say you're doing better than a lot of Dealers, but I suspect YOU put considerable time into it.
We've bought where ever we could, often paying better than high retail to put product on the shelf...and sadly, we find ourselves embarrassed and apologizing for the exorbitant prices on some things, and as lesser expensive replacements have come in, we've averaged some calibers together to where we're actually selling for less than cost.

 

[Criticalt]

Ive got a box of 500 rounds of 308.....180 grain soft points and about 200 cheapo 12 gauge Federal 1oz Foster slugs.....and random boxes of fancy 12 gauge Sabot slugs.
And lots of random bird and buck shot....12 gauge.
If I run out....im a pretty bad shot but ive got a lot of 10mm and 357 magnum just incase.

 

[kemo357]

I should be alright, got about 500 rounds for the 50 BMG!

 

[Deplorable Me]

I should be alright, got about 500 rounds for the 50 BMG!

Taliban just got 34,000,000,000,000,000,000 rounds. Plus or minus a few.