Anyone else worried about the 2020 POTUS election?

[drowhawk]

You're not understanding. I didn't say that. When I said they are dangerous because of our policy, I was talking about the drug cartels. These dangerous criminals are often supported by illegal activity like human trafficking and drug smuggling. The two victimless crimes we have created a black market for. Cartels wouldn't exist without money. The violence couldn't be sustained. The money exists because of the black-market demand for these services. See where I'm going? I wasn't giving a cop-out to dangerous criminals.

Again, you're glazing right over the simple fact that most illegal immigrants are not dangerous. There's millions of them here already. They only account for a small percentage of violent crime every year. Yeah it happens, and yes it's horrible but people who are natural born citizens commit far more violent crimes every year.

IDK about you, but I want as many pro-gun people in this country as possible. Even if that means they listen to funny music and speak a different language than me. There's plenty to go around and America has proved that time and time again.

 

[Chevusa]

I don't know what you're babbling about, but you may want to read my post again carefully.

Your last line is the same wonderful justification for not even considering Trump though.

Who needs:

Full autos

30 round mags

ARs with 2 features

ARs with 1 feature

Bump Stocks <You are here

Semi auto guns

Non single shot guns

Guns


Anyway?

You are comparing a plastic toy attachment that serves no legitimate purpose with ACTUAL “Arms”.

 

[Darth]

You are comparing a plastic toy attachment that serves no legitimate purpose with ACTUAL “Arms”.

I don't remember anyone appointing you the "arms czar" to decide that, nor do I recall anyone asking you what is "legitimate."

 

[Chevusa]

I don't remember anyone appointing you the "arms czar" to decide that, nor do I recall anyone asking you what is "legitimate."

Ok please show me how a round can be fired from a bump stock. Until you can do that, it is not “Arms”, which is what is guaranteed by 2A.

You still haven’t addressed the “hell yes were coming for your guns”. That seems to be the bigger threat.

 

[Darth]

Ok please show me how a round can be fired from a bump stock. Until you can do that, it is not “Arms”, which is what is guaranteed by 2A.

You still haven’t addressed the “hell yes were coming for your guns”. That seems to be the bigger threat.

In the same manner a round can be fired from an AR 15 without a firing pin.

Is the firing pin the ARM?

Ridiculous nonsense.

I believe it was actually phrased " We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court."

 

[drowhawk]

In case there was any question, skip to 36:00 for Jorgensen's stance on 2A. It's Cohen being interviewed, but he makes it clear.

 

[Chevusa]

In the same manner a round can be fired from an AR 15 without a firing pin.

Is the firing pin the ARM?

Ridiculous nonsense.

I believe it was actually phrased " We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court."

One is a fundamental part that makes up the firearm. The other is an aftermarket accessory made as a range toy. You aren’t even close. Find me a firearm that ships from the factory with this plastic toy attachment installed and we can talk. Otherwise you are being disingenuous. Is a sling also a firearm, where you live? What about a gun case? Is a gun case a firearm?

 

[Darth]

One is a fundamental part that makes up the firearm. The other is an aftermarket accessory made as a range toy. You aren’t even close. Find me a firearm that ships from as factory original with this plastic you attachment installed and we can talk. Otherwise you are being disingenuous. Is a sling also a firearm, where you live? What about a gun case? Is a gun case a firearm?

Ok, so your new distraction is "aftermarket accessory."

Like a magazine?

You can probably stop digging that hole in this feeble attempt to defend someone that has passed more anti gun legislation than Obama now.

 

[drowhawk]

One is a fundamental part that makes up the firearm. The other is an aftermarket accessory made as a range toy. You aren’t even close. Find me a firearm that ships from the factory with this plastic toy attachment installed and we can talk. Otherwise you are being disingenuous. Is a sling also a firearm, where you live? What about a gun case? Is a gun case a firearm?

Please don't give the folks in Albany any ideas. Next thing ya know slings and gun cases will be included in the SAFE act.

 

[Chevusa]

I believe it was actually phrased " We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court."

I apologize. Shouting “hell yes we’re coming for them all” while standing on a table is much more reasonable. Also note that red flag thing went nowhere.

 

[Darth]

Please don't give the folks in Albany any ideas. Next thing ya know slings and gun cases will be included in the SAFE act.

And that would, somehow, be A-OK, because those things don't meet this absurd definition of "arms."

 

[Chevusa]

And that would, somehow, be A-OK, because those things don't meet this absurd definition of "arms."

You’d rather have a sling than a rifle just so you could be right with your argument. Sad.

 

[Darth]

I apologize. Shouting “hell yes we’re coming for them all” while standing on a table is much more reasonable. Also note that red flag thing went nowhere.

I don't know why you are standing on a table, or really what you are even on about here.

And also note, had I said I would vote for Joe, he hasn't passed any anti gun legislation yet.

That's the absurdity of your argument.

 

[Chevusa]

Ok, so your new distraction is "aftermarket accessory."

Like a magazine?

You can probably stop digging that hole in this feeble attempt to defend someone that has passed more anti gun legislation than Obama now.

The firearm does not work as designed without the magazine. Nice try. Keep grasping.

 

[Darth]

You’d rather have a sling than a rifle just so you could be right with your argument. Sad.

No sir, YOU are the one dealing in compromises.

I would rather have everything.

Hence I cannot in good conscience vote for trump.

 

[Darth]

The firearm does not work as designed without the magazine. Nice try. Keep grasping.

You are the reason we have magazine disconnect safeties on firearms.

 

[Chevusa]

I don't know why you are standing on a table, or really what you are even on about here.

And also note, had I said I would vote for Joe, he hasn't passed any anti gun legislation yet.

That's the absurdity of your argument.

You missed where Beto, who stood on tables and literally said he’s coming to your door and you’re gonna hand them over, is who Joe has stated, on video, that he is putting in charge of gun policy. To argue that one is not worse than the other is absurd.

 

[Chevusa]

You are the reason we have magazine disconnect safeties on firearms.

No correlation to the argument. Not only does it make no sense, but it wasn’t even remotely funny as a joke.

 

[Chevusa]

No sir, YOU are the one dealing in compromises.

I would rather have everything.

Hence I cannot in good conscience vote for trump.

Oops! You want everything but will vote for the one that wants you to have nothing. Fail.

You’ve gotta compromise until you are crowned King of the country. Trump will allow you to keep “Arms” Biden will not if he can help it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

One is a fundamental part that makes up the firearm. The other is an aftermarket accessory made as a range toy. You aren’t even close. Find me a firearm that ships from the factory with this plastic toy attachment installed and we can talk. Otherwise you are being disingenuous. Is a sling also a firearm, where you live? What about a gun case? Is a gun case a firearm?

Incorrect. It is a fundamental part for making a firearm near auto. It basically bans all firearms that can serve as suppression weapons against a tyrannical government.

 

[Darth]

You missed where Beto, who stood on tables and literally said he’s coming to your door and you’re gonna hand them over, is who Joe has stated, on video, that he is putting in charge of gun policy. To argue that one is not worse than the other is absurd.

I have no interest in whoever "Beto" or "Joe" is, so again, what are you on about?

 

[Chevusa]

Incorrect. It is a fundamental part for making a firearm near auto. It basically bans all firearms that can serve as suppression weapons against a tyrannical government.

Autos are banned already. This plastic toy accessory is in violation of the spirit and intent of that. This is fact and not open for spin or debate. I’ll take my actual “Arms” over toys

 

[Darth]

Oops! You want everything but will vote for the one that wants you to have nothing. Fail.

You’ve gotta compromise until you are crowned King of the country. Trump will allow you to keep “Arms” Biden will not if he can help it.

I will vote for the one that wants everyone to have everything.

 

[Darth]

Autos are banned already. This plastic toy accessory is in violation of the spirit and intent of that. This is fact and not open for spin or debate. I’ll take my actual “Arms” over toys

What part of the full autos were not "arms?"

The "gimmick" little piece of machined metal and extra hole in the receiver?

 

[Chevusa]

I will vote for the one that wants everyone to have everything.

With no chance to win. But circling back, you’ll feel like you did something, for a few hours Eveb though you accomplished nothing.

 

[Darth]

With no chance to win. But circling back, you’ll feel like you did something, for a few hours Eveb though you accomplished nothing.

If "I'm not voting 3rd party, they have no chance to win!" was a candidate in the 2016 election they would have won with about 43% of the vote.

 

[Chevusa]

What part of the full autos were not "arms?"

The "gimmick" little piece of machined metal and extra hole in the receiver?

That ship has sailed.

 

[Darth]

That ship has sailed.

Do you know why it sailed?

Because "I'll keep my semi auto guns, you can have your full auto gimmick/toys!" folks were around long before you as well.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Autos are banned already. This plastic toy accessory is in violation of the spirit and intent of that. This is fact and not open for spin or debate. I’ll take my actual “Arms” over toys

So that makes it good? Great. Autos are banned so this plastic piece that can act as an automatic should be banned too. What else do you support the banning of? A plastic arm brace? Scope mounts? Scopes? Pistol grips?

 

[Darth]

So that makes it good? Great. Autos are banned so this plastic piece that can act as an automatic should be banned too. What else do you support the banning of? A plastic arm brace? Scope mounts? Scopes? Pistol grips?

Uhh, let's see here: Aftermarket, toy, non legitimate, not an arm...