Vati
9mm
I'm just double checking, if you have a pinned mag AR then you do not have to pin the adjustable stock, pin the muzzles device, or remove a bayo lug ...Correct?
vati
vati
AR 15 with pinned 10 rd mag.....
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Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Penal code 265
All ny gun owners should read it atleast once.
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law § 265.00 | FindLaw
All ny gun owners should read it atleast once.
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law § 265.00 | FindLaw
Vinson57
.475 A&M Magnum
The magazine has to be permanently attached to the gun and therefore not accept a detachable magazine as one is already there in order to allow all other features you have mentioned. A standard mag release installed with some extra washers to it make it not work, then epoxied over is only fix the state police have acted upon to let the rest of us know anymore on this subject.
A removable magazine does not allow any features you have mentioned.
A removable magazine does not allow any features you have mentioned.
Vinson57
.475 A&M Magnum
There is a deniability clause for ignorance to UNSAFE they seem to not want to let anyone use where they could let someone register if caught. This probably takes a plea bargain to get using a good lawyer.
There is no plea to an unconstitutional law... A Law enacted in non-compliance with State Laws... a Law which encumbered the lawful State citizen from enjoying his 2nd Amendment Rights by having to jump through hoops and submit to arbitrary requirements which have absolutely nothing to do with anything that has transpired within its borders!
Fuck NY, and Fuck Andy (douchebag) Cuomo!
Fuck NY, and Fuck Andy (douchebag) Cuomo!
Vati
9mm
I read it..i'm not a lawyer.. I was hoping for a quick yes no answer.
freddy
.308 Win
Please explain what you mean by "pinned mag". Do you mean a 30 round mag pinned to 10 rounds? Do you mean the mag is pinned or fixed to the receiver? If so, how exactly is it pinned?
Vati
9mm
10 rd freddy, fixed mag non removalble. Button is locked in place with set screw that is slealed with epoxy. Sorry that my wording was wrong.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
If you're having trouble understanding the law, as written, then maybe you should get a lawyer.
If you do not understand what is written well enough to articulate this to a police officer, then maybe you should not be playing around in this end of the pool.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you need to be able to articulate your full understanding of the law if you want to be able to make it a nice happy day dealing with the police.
Saying "the guys on the Internet said it was OK "may not be your best offense
Vati
9mm
You know what bulletguy .... I'm trying to get clarifaction. You sell AR uppers and complete guns that you claim are NY safe act legal. When you build and sell a AR15 with a permantly attached 10rd Magazine, do you need to pin the ajustable Stock, can it have a bayonet lug, and does the muzzle device have to be pinned in place. Thats all I'm asking,
Vati
Vati
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
OK, you're trying to get clarification. You've read the law and you're not sure. What do you want me to tell you? We all read the same law.
As I suggested, if you do not understand the law as it's written, contact a lawyer because this will be your best defense if you ever need to articulate your understanding of the law to a police officer.
I am sorry you don't like the answers you were getting. Again I stress, you need to be able to articulate the law when needed. If you cannot articulate your understanding of the law then you are going to have problems.
What makes you think that anything that is said on the Internet is going to prevent you from having trouble?
Oh, just for clarification no where do I claim that anything I sell is New York Safe act compliant. I offer fire arms with a non-removable magazine. And then I offer fire arms with no features that are on the list.
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freddy
.308 Win
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freddy
.308 Win
That is the general consensus, correct. The legal wording is murky, and this makes for uncertainty. You probably are okay if the mag is fixed with a screw (button press does not drop mag), and more so with the addition of epoxy. The truth is no one knows for certain until it goes to court. No doubt this was intentional by our lawmakers. Really quite brillant because it has us all running in circles scratching our heads (and arguing amongst ourselves).
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
As long as it came with the letter.
Freddy said it well and so did Bullet Guy. No one knows 100% because the laws are vague. General consensus is if you use something like a Prince 50 with epoxy then you should be good but we are not lawyers and there hasn't been any case law as of yet.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Stop. Okay? Just STOP.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
WTH bro. I just want to know so I can move on with my life......
And figure out which online vendor will ship ammo to my house. That's all!!!
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Ugh!
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
And trolling....
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's not what the law says. It says ability to accept.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A lot depends on if its raining, its a day ending with the letter 'Y', and if the guy shooting next to you, that just took a piece of your hot brass down this shirt collar, is a policeman and didn't get laid the night before.
Robin
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
^^^^ THIS is the best goddamn description of how the unSAFE Act is interpreted. Kudos!
RugerRedhawk
.177 BB
The consensus I've always seen is that if you permanently fix the (<=10rd) mag you can have an adjustable stock and pistol grip.
Also here is a (maybe not up to date) list of vendors who ship ammo to NY.:
Underwood will ship to NY as well
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I think the OP is being overly hassled about this.
Everyone here agrees with this statement (I suspect): If the gun cannot accept a detachable magazine, it can have the adjustable stock, muzzle device, front grip, etc.
The gray area is nobody knows what a "detachable magazine" acceptance criteria is exactly. There is no consensus and there is no legal precedent. Many people have felt comfortable with washers and epoxy because that makes the magazine removable only with tools. But if you were to remove it, of course you'd have to first make the gun compliant, else now you have a gun that accepts a detachable mag and still has the evil features.
Now I'm damn positive that if you have an aluminum upper and your magazine is welded into it, that certainly qualifies. I also would personally feel comfortable with washers and some epoxy (something that requires tools to undo). I would not personally feel comfortable with some of the quick change devices people are using. That's just my personal feeling--wouldn't want to defend it in court, but others disagree.
Everyone here agrees with this statement (I suspect): If the gun cannot accept a detachable magazine, it can have the adjustable stock, muzzle device, front grip, etc.
The gray area is nobody knows what a "detachable magazine" acceptance criteria is exactly. There is no consensus and there is no legal precedent. Many people have felt comfortable with washers and epoxy because that makes the magazine removable only with tools. But if you were to remove it, of course you'd have to first make the gun compliant, else now you have a gun that accepts a detachable mag and still has the evil features.
Now I'm damn positive that if you have an aluminum upper and your magazine is welded into it, that certainly qualifies. I also would personally feel comfortable with washers and some epoxy (something that requires tools to undo). I would not personally feel comfortable with some of the quick change devices people are using. That's just my personal feeling--wouldn't want to defend it in court, but others disagree.
RugerRedhawk
.177 BB
I agree completely.