Hi everyone, I have got the urge to finally go through with building an AR pistol to put on my pistol permit. From what I have read of the laws, for non leo’s as long as it has a fixed mag it should be good to go, correct? What I have been thinking about though is the easiest way to go about it. I can easily get all the parts myself and build it or is the process of getting it put on my permit easier to buy the receiver already built and buy it as an already assembled pistol. If I got all the parts together and built it myself wouldn’t I illegally possess a pistol without it being on my permit?! I would honestly rather build it myself cause I enjoy that kind of thing. Just curious about the legality of building one myself and having a fully assembled and functioning pistol before it is on my permit. What would be the correct way to go about doing it? It seems like Bullet Guy is the one that I should be asking after seeing how everyone looks to him for their information but I didn’t want to seem like a bother asking just him. Also, I’m from Sullivan County. So if anyone on here knows how the process goes in Sullivan County and how the clerks are for putting an AR pistol on someone’s permit. Sorry for such the drawn out post. Thanks for the help.
AR Pistol on Permit
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ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Oh boy another Will ( @Willjr75 ). I would think putting the lower on your permit first, then build it would be the way to go. @Bullet Guy would know for sure though. Good luck! I hope it comes out the way you want.
Depick
.308 Win
I’m in Erie and I was told the simplest way to do this is one of three options. 1 being to buy a complete compliant pistol. 2 Provide the parts minus the lower and have it assembled by an ffl and the last being to find an ffl that can sell you the lower as a pistol. All three options you have to go through the process of putting it on your permit as well. This may not be the definitive answer but is what I was told at my LGS when I inquired.
My friend and I plan on doing our builds together. I’m asking about the non LEO point of view for my friend. I actually am in law enforcement and don’t have to worry about the dumb fixed mag portion. But I figured I would get the worst case scenario information for my friends build. I know people would think me being an LEO means I should know exactly how the process should work but since it would be my first time going about doing it I figured I would cover my bases and ask the people who are more knowledgeable on the process since they have done it before.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Hey!
Uzi
.308 Win
I don't think there is probably one FFL that has any complete or any partial AR pistols in NYS ready to sell to a NYer. The hardest part will be finding an FFL that isn't scared to go through with the transaction. The best way will be to make sure you get their okay first, explain what you plan on doing prior, because they won't want suprises thinking it'll be a simple background check for a rifle build. Then purchase the stripped lower and hope you're able to transfer it as a pistol to build fixed mag/bolt action to be put onto your permit. The county clerk will be another hurdle you'll have to hope doesn't end negatively. They'll be confused and ask questions, definitely don't mention anything "ar-15". Now is a horrible time to be expecting better luck for this, but a bunch of us were able to do it without any issues over the years, so maybe you'll get lucky, who knows.
Sixbennetts
.45 acp
I added a new lower to my pistol permit, and built from there. Many LGS will do this for you,especially if you buy it from them. If not, move on until you find one that will.
Depick
.308 Win
Not trying to be contrary but My LGS had one on the shelf but it was quite expensive.
HEYYY!!! lol
What is the absolute minimum that would have to be built for it to be considered a pistol? So I don’t have to pay and arm and a leg at a lgs for a fully complete pistol. A lower receiver with the complete lpk and a pistol buffer tube/brace?!
Depick
.308 Win
I’d say your best bet would be to message BulletGuy he is in the vendor section
Uzi
.308 Win
Shocking, actually. Are you sure it was NY compliant and for instate sales? I see plenty of rifles and pistols in gun stores all over the place that aren't for sale for residents and they just sit for years and years.
Depick
.308 Win
I thought the same so I asked and yup it’s fixed mag and for sale.
Sixbennetts
.45 acp
Like I said above, I bought just a complete lower and added it to my permit. The LGS knows me, and trusted I'd be buying the 10.5",5.56 barrel from them, so they put that on the receipt, which allowed me to add it.
Then I just built it a little at a time.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
My pistols start at $699.
Oh ok, I wasn’t sure if you were originally referring to a stripped lower or a complete pistol lower in that previous comment. Thanks for your help.
I did the same. Bought a standard stripped lower, ffl gave a reciept for permit office. You need to be sure ffl will do this as well.
Sixbennetts
.45 acp
I don't think it would matter much, once you find an FFL or LGS to do it. Either buy from them, or they receive for you.
MY town clerk required a caliber on the receipt and permit, even though the lower was marked multi-cal. My LGS trusted me that I would buy a barrel from her, and added 5.56 to the receipt. The city clerk didn't bat an eye and just added it to my permit. As far as she knows, it's just another pistol. Which it is.
Your source *might require you to purchase a barrel from him, or he *might just add a caliber to your receipt.
When you go to the clerk, don't explain unless asked. If you blurt out you're building an EVIL AR-15 OR M-16, people's radar goes off! My Anderson model is AM-15, which didn't raise an eyebrow. AR-15 *might have.
Basically, you have some feeling out to do. Your LGS would know if anybody in your county has added an AR pistol to their permit, and how it was done.
Joe Blow
.45 acp
Having a friendly FFL makes all the difference...
Whether one buys a stripped lower online or from the LGS's stock it is sent to the LGS as a receiver. The LGS logs it in as a receiver. For the LGS to blindly sell the stripped lower as a pistol leaves them open in a few ways...
They never submitted a P-12 upon receipt of the stripped lower (not required)
Logging it out in their books as a pistol upon sale looks like they manufactured a firearm (receiver to pistol?, OK if their an 07)
What does the LGS put on the P-12 and write a receipt for when sold as a pistol? What the customer says their going to build? Unless it's a regular customer, no way. For the LGS to issue a receipt and submit a P-12 to the state based solely on a customers word about the "build" without ever laying eyes on the firearm is not good business.
Here, it isn't a problem adding an AR pistol to ones permit. One gets the lower from the LGS as a receiver. The firearm is built and then brought back to the LGS (yes, the builder is temporarily in possession of an illegal firearm). The LGS receives it from the builder as a pistol, issues a receipt to the builder for addition to their permit,and submits P-12's accordingly.
The LGS has met their requirements...
Counties that don't accept multi-cal suck...
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
ALMOST perfect......EXCEPT when the ffl books in The pistol from a nys resident they have just admitted to ILLEGALLY accepting an unregistered handgun fron a nyer. A giant no-no. They could arrest the ffl for it.....they definitely may pull their permission to sell handguns.......
Better for them to do any of the afformentioned points you made, then to accept an illegal handgun from a nyer and log it in on a p12
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Question. If the builder brings it back to the ffl as an unassembled upper and lower- no felonies have been committed right? Technically not a pistol until assembled, or ffl has stated so.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Then it meets the other points mentioned above.....again
Joe Blow
.45 acp
Local FFL's had discussed this with local permitting authorities, they don't have a problem with it. They understand the intent is to make the manufactured handgun legal and like the idea that the FFL sees the final product and ensures it is in fact legal before it goes on someones permit.
whauburger
6.5 Creedmoor
I didn't read all this thread so sorry if it was mentioned but I ordered a lower online, had it transferred as other with nics. Next added the lower to my permit, and built my pistol.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Wait tillthe state police receive the p12 and it says they received a handgun from a NYer that di not have it on his permit. It takes 2-3 years for the p12 to resurface, but it will.
NY FFL arel not permitted to receive handguns from a ny resident if said gun is not on a permit.
Just sayin’
Joe Blow
.45 acp
Around here FFL's were told do not blindly issue receipts for amendments t0 permits. If found to be issuing receipts for handguns that don't exist and the FFL has never seen would be dealt with if discovered. The FFL is supposed to be the checkpoint in the permitting process. By blindly issuing receipts the FFL has given up the control they are supposed to have over the process. Here they know and approve of the process being used because the FFL has full control and they know the FFL is going to ensure everything is legal. Process has been used for at least four years, no issue(s) to date.
FFL issues a receipt for a non existent handgun. End user builds it from the receiver and does something not legal (purposely or not), maybe doesn't affix the magazine properly. He's somehow discovered with it. He's gonna say hey, I bought this from an FFL it's got to be legal. Authorities will go to the FFL, what's he / she gonna say? I just wrote the receipt, I never saw the firearm? That will not go over well.
Someones "Uncle Bob" drops dead. Going through his stuff a handgun is found. Uncle Bob never had a permit, the handgun was illegally possessed. What to do with it? Turn it in to the police? You'll never see it again. You get it to an FFL who will work with the authorities to research it and ensure it's not stolen etc. Authorities have no problem with the FFL accepting this illegal handgun because it is now in a safe spot and they know he / she is going to legally disposition it.
Around here the permitting authorities are very accommodating and work with the FFL's.
whauburger
6.5 Creedmoor
Sorry Joe blow but that is the dumbest thing I've herd related to this topic in a long time. A it's perfectly legal to have a blank lower on your permit so if you have an ffl telling you that they can't transfer a lower find a new one. Second you can buy a blank lower as an "other" and hang on to it. It is in your possssion and you can then do an amendment to add it to permit as handgun. Once on your permit you can legally build a pistol.....with your logic if I buy a by configured AR and then alter it to non legal I can claim well I bought it from an FFL. It is the owners responsibility to follow laws.
whauburger
6.5 Creedmoor
And if uncle bob drops dead and there is an illegal handgun the police hold it until a family member adds it to permit. It doesn't go to an FFL.