BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Before I got my pistol permit my AR9 was my primary at home weapon with 20 and 12 gauges in the background.
But I live in the woods so ymmv (and now there are also other long guns in the mix for me).
AR Platform, Something Else Or Nothing?
- Thread starter Dr. Evil
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Before I got my pistol permit my AR9 was my primary at home weapon with 20 and 12 gauges in the background.
But I live in the woods so ymmv (and now there are also other long guns in the mix for me).
spat
.950 JDJ
That depends on what size buck shot. There is more to the world than 00
A shotgun offers versatility. You can precisely tailor the level of penetration you want from practically none (#8 shot) to "I can see daylight" with just an ammo swap. You can even adjust on the fly by a simple reload.
I am not jumping on the "12 gauge is the only answer for home defense" bandwagon, 9mm and 5.56 each have their own strengths. I am just saying that it's hard to beat a shotgun for the available range of penetration options
spat
.950 JDJ
But it probably beats all the other "stopped by drywall" options.And bird shot is garbage for home defense
Any round of any caliber that won't go right through the exterior wall and into the neighbors house is a compromise.
Well, maybe not at my new place where the exterior walls are 6" steel reinforced concrete and the neighbors are half a mile away....
50bmg for home defense it is LOL.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
@spat to your point about shot- my 12 used to have slugs and my 20 was loaded with #4 buck. Excluding deer season, of course.
If you don't have an AR then definitely get one of those first. I believe the best compliant option, the FiteLite SCR, comes in at just under 1k for the basic model. Or at least it did, who the hell knows about the panic pricing?
spat
.950 JDJ
#4 is a very popular compromise.
Each person's tactical situation is different, and needs to be evaluated individually.
The right ammo in a townhouse with paper thin walls is not the right ammo in a log cabin with neighbors who won't even hear the shot.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Unfortunately at this time there may not be many choices available @Podmonkey for long guns or ammo..
Guns seem to be relatively available, particularly online. It is the ammo that I can't find, at least at non insane prices.
@Dr. Evil, if you search diligently enough, long enough you will find what you need but be prepared to pay a premium. I had an easy time finding my Ace pistol on Gunbroker for example but I paid above MSRP for it and it was harder to find a red dot for it. The MRO I got was paid for at a $200 premium over usual.
Well, I did that looking for the freaking little screw that fills the holes where the picatinny rail would go on my 10/22.oh PS: because you're not truly a gun guy until you've spent an hour crawling around on the carpet looking for a detent and spring that skyrocketed into the stratosphere during a build...
Stupid little screws with no heads lost in the rug. I did find it.
A DI AR in 556 is lighter and easier to shoot than a blow back 9 mm. Less felt recoil due to the weight of the bolt. Neither really recoil much at all.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Or.... Keep it classy with a "get off my lawn" special!
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
This is strictly my "fictious opinion" for entertainment purposes on the internet and nothing more.
Every able bodied, sound mind American that is asking this question, should and deserves to have an AR-15.
I want as many people as possible who see the country the right way to have the citizens rifle as possible.
I think a shit storm is coming. Nothing will be more ubiquitous and valuable than 9mm and 5.56. if I'm right, it will be available one way or another. If not, then no worries.
In a purely fictional work of literature, I would say buy/build a safe act compliant fully featured rifle/carbine/pistol and keep the "normal" magazine release parts readily available for when/if the time comes. Purely in a literal story telling manner of course.
Every able bodied, sound mind American that is asking this question, should and deserves to have an AR-15.
I want as many people as possible who see the country the right way to have the citizens rifle as possible.
I think a shit storm is coming. Nothing will be more ubiquitous and valuable than 9mm and 5.56. if I'm right, it will be available one way or another. If not, then no worries.
In a purely fictional work of literature, I would say buy/build a safe act compliant fully featured rifle/carbine/pistol and keep the "normal" magazine release parts readily available for when/if the time comes. Purely in a literal story telling manner of course.
True. However OP was asking about AR vs everything else. Ammo supply is on him.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
spat
.950 JDJ
Correct, ammo is irrelevant to the discussion.
Whatever your solution to the ammo problem is, it will work equally well for an AR as it will any other platform.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
there is a huge advantage of having a rifle in a service round and even greater if the rifle can take easy
swap calibers to a specialized round for whatever the purpose or simply as a backup option.
having a 2nd rifle in another caliber is always a great idea like a hunting bolt action in a popular round.
And imo if the family is around having a 2nd backup rifle in the same caliber, magazine, etc...
The more standard and exchangeable it is, the better. (versatility + reliability)
swap calibers to a specialized round for whatever the purpose or simply as a backup option.
having a 2nd rifle in another caliber is always a great idea like a hunting bolt action in a popular round.
And imo if the family is around having a 2nd backup rifle in the same caliber, magazine, etc...
The more standard and exchangeable it is, the better. (versatility + reliability)
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
If you knew you were going to get into a gunfight in unknown circumstances and you could choose only one weapon ,which do you choose?
the short range handgun , which can be difficult to handle under stress
The short range shotgun with 5 round capacity.
the general purpose carbine with 20-30 round mag.
Any of them can do the job, But if your opponent is armed with a shotgun or handgun and your armed with a carbine , your going to have an advantage in more situations with the carbine. In a SHTF situation , your better off with the carbine especially if bad guys have handguns and shotguns. To quote Cus Damato, the sweet science of boxing is to hit without being hit . the same rules apply to a gun fight, useing cover camouflage or distance to make it impossible or very difficult to be hit while being able to hit your opponent.
The advantage of the shotgun is that it wont penetrate your neighbors house next door, but its disadvantages is that it might not penetrate the car in your driveway.
My philosophy is that I dont know what to expect so I leaned toward the general purpose carbine. the way I was taught, is that if your useing a handgun in a gunfight , you already did something wrong . If you watch the Police, any time theres a report of gunfire they are walking up with a carbine or shotgun . They at least want to be evenly matched and over gunned if possible.
the short range handgun , which can be difficult to handle under stress
The short range shotgun with 5 round capacity.
the general purpose carbine with 20-30 round mag.
Any of them can do the job, But if your opponent is armed with a shotgun or handgun and your armed with a carbine , your going to have an advantage in more situations with the carbine. In a SHTF situation , your better off with the carbine especially if bad guys have handguns and shotguns. To quote Cus Damato, the sweet science of boxing is to hit without being hit . the same rules apply to a gun fight, useing cover camouflage or distance to make it impossible or very difficult to be hit while being able to hit your opponent.
The advantage of the shotgun is that it wont penetrate your neighbors house next door, but its disadvantages is that it might not penetrate the car in your driveway.
My philosophy is that I dont know what to expect so I leaned toward the general purpose carbine. the way I was taught, is that if your useing a handgun in a gunfight , you already did something wrong . If you watch the Police, any time theres a report of gunfire they are walking up with a carbine or shotgun . They at least want to be evenly matched and over gunned if possible.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Those frigging screws are why I finally broke down and bought a pair of reading glasses for my gun desk.
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
I'm ready for the next build.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
OK. More narrowing down. If I decide not to do a build and I am leaning towards an AR in 5.56, would you go with a neutered AR already built at a gun store or the "other" firearm in this link? CT4-2A OTHER FIREARM - DELTA LEVEL DEFENSE
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
One of the problems with ARs is they are like potato chips. Can't have just one
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
I'd go with the neutered - Thordsen & no muzzle devise. There is a clearer understanding of what is legal, and it won't be subject to the same ATF change in "interpretation" that arm braces are experiencing.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
I hope you know what that thing is worth!1!!!!!11!!
Unfortunately I would also suggest a neutered featureless AR..
While some (and maybe you) feel comfortable with an "other firearm" that leaves a lot of gray area vs the less gray area of a featureless AR
I'm also NOT saying DONT get the other. Just making sure you understand prior to getting one that it COULD have its legal issues..
But yes there are many that do own these in the state
But yes there are many that do own these in the state
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Understood. As it stands I believe it is legal because it falls under the "other" category. At some point if things change can't one just do with it like all of the other AR's folks had that all of the sudden became "illegal" AR's when the UnSafe Act was passed? Part of me would rather have something not neutered to start compared to starting with one that had a fixed mag and any other things not on the DLD firearm. Does that make sense?
GTN
.308 Win
Doc I can’t remember what area you live in but I’m in Livingston County and I have a PCC9 if you want to try it out.
I have a couple ARs and because I’m not real familiar with them they are intimidating
I have a couple ARs and because I’m not real familiar with them they are intimidating