Charge them with vandalism, make them pay for damages.
Assemblymen Propose Law Making Disrespecting Police A Felony
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Charge them with vandalism, make them pay for damages.
I searched Reilly’s proposed bills. It isn’t on the list yet. Might need a few days for it to be filed.
Interestingly, he proposed a bill to create a charge for falsely filing a “red flag” order.
Interestingly, he proposed a bill to create a charge for falsely filing a “red flag” order.
FrankenCub
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That would be nice, even hit them where it hurts if need be...their EBT card lmao
Wouldn't there already exist something for falsifying charges regardless? If not I still wouldn't expect this one to see the light of day. Red Flag being for the kids and all
meketrefe
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I heard someone had a fit the other day in a beauty parlor because they didn't shave his Ebonics.
Criminal mischief. As it stands, that’s what we will be charging at the least. Felony criminal mischief is only $250 or more, and since my vest can become less resistant after becoming soaked with water (causing the layers to separate), felony crim mis seems appropriate.
spat
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I do not agree with the law, but only because I think it's redundant.
Wouldn't this fall under assault ?
And even if it doesn't, why should police officers be any different ?
If it's a crime to dump a bucket of water on someone for wearing a badge, it should be just as much a crime to do it to someone wearing a MAGA hat.
Assault requires injury in NY. We have attempted assault, but it requires intent. So simply tossing water on someone would not be assault. Criminal mischief definitely does apply. As of now, that’s what the rookies have been instructed to charge as the top charge should this trend continue.
I am a simple kind of guy...
You throw an unknown substance on me, good chance you will feel pain.
You throw an unknown substance on me, good chance you will feel pain.
Goes without saying.
Acer-m14
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so if this bill is for water dumping .. what if the hoodlums switch to dumping buckets of rat shit mixed with water ..
I would have thought the existing laws regarding assault would suffice. If not, then I am in favor of the new legislation. These assholes cannot have free reign to assault and denigrate police officers. I would have thought existing laws applied here, but if not, and if it is narrowly defined, then by all means pass the legislation. This nonsense needs to be stopped immediately or there will be tragic outcomes in the very near future.
spat
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As long as they will charge any antifa they catch throwing milkshakes with the same thing that seems reasonable, and a better solution than making up another law.
Acer-m14
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i still say its a chemical attack .. H20 is a chem ..
repete
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True, but what the wording is going in isn't always the same coming out. If it stays the same and pertains to just liquids , ok. But wouldn't tossing water on a cop already be covered under assault?
Yeah but that’s at least attempted assault. They are throwing a hard object at people.
If you grasp the full vagaries of NY’s laws which SEEM to cover this type of incident, you’ll understand why it is necessary. Especially in our new world now where DA’s refuse to prosecute disorderly conduct and harassment, the two most appropriate charges unless equipment is damaged.
Not knocking you, but I’ve put it in this thread numerous times:
Assault requires a visible injury or substantial pain in NY.
spat
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Our whole legal system needs a reboot.
They need to sunset *every* law currently on the books in 5 years, and they have that much time to develop a new, simplified, coherent, and consistent set of laws to replace them all.
The only problem is that none of today's legislators should be allowed anywhere near the process.
Robin
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Like 'Hate Crimes' this is so conceptually stupid I loathe to become entangled in a discussion about it.
Robin
Robin
Why? It only covers dumping water or other liquids on cops. Why is that so conceptually stupid as a crime?
E the massive
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Who would prosecute? DA's are politicians.
Why is it ok to dump water or liquids on me? Laws should protect all people not specific people.
Doc8404
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Doc8404
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Used to have to repeat this to my healthcare workers.
He hit you.
It isn’t assault.
Tell your husband to google it.
I certainly don’t think it is, but I’m not going to rehash arguments regarding on-duty police officers being different under the law than non-police officers. It’s a topic we’re better off mutually agreeing to disagree on.
Harassment certainly applies, but thats a violation and DA’s are not prosecuting violations anymore.
Doc8404
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Well I think it should be legal to harass anyone you want.
At the same time, I think it should be legal to throat punch somebody.
At the same time, I think it should be legal to throat punch somebody.
repete
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I'm behind that 100%!
repete
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Yeah, I suppose I should read ALL the posts before quoting a post. It will not happen again, until the next time.
To anyone naive enough to buy into the "It's just a headline to stir the pot and flame the fan on the anti-police fire", let's read it from the horse's mouth:
"U.S. Courts have recently upheld that giving an officer the middle finger is protected speech. Apparently there are some who believe that as long as the things they say and do aren’t actually dangerous or threatening, then they fall under protected speech.
...
For the record, I believe the law should be broadened. While few people are bigger fans of the 1stAmendment than myself, I do believe that there needs to be a limit to how things can be said."
So imagine that, they're lying again, like when they murdered that dude in cold blood in his house responding to a medical call and got away with it.
Bill proposed after water attacks would make "disrespecting police" a felony
No wait, let me guess, he's not "a real cop."
It's NOT about "throwing water on someone." They are simply using that to try and distract. Taking advantage of a situation.
I just wonder why bother? They can get away with murder, obviously, so why bother?
"U.S. Courts have recently upheld that giving an officer the middle finger is protected speech. Apparently there are some who believe that as long as the things they say and do aren’t actually dangerous or threatening, then they fall under protected speech.
...
For the record, I believe the law should be broadened. While few people are bigger fans of the 1stAmendment than myself, I do believe that there needs to be a limit to how things can be said."
So imagine that, they're lying again, like when they murdered that dude in cold blood in his house responding to a medical call and got away with it.
Bill proposed after water attacks would make "disrespecting police" a felony
No wait, let me guess, he's not "a real cop."
It's NOT about "throwing water on someone." They are simply using that to try and distract. Taking advantage of a situation.
I just wonder why bother? They can get away with murder, obviously, so why bother?
Depick
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I support this