ATF claims black rifle not an "assault" rifle..AR-15....AK-47

[Mr. terzmo]

ATF declares AR-15 and AK-style rifles ‘standard for hunting activities’ | The Daily Liberator

From another site....I knew this since the crap act started...I believe a "no shit Sherlock" applies here

 

[Podmonkey]

Are we really starting to turn the narrative here? There certainly os no denying that verisions of either rifle are widely used for hunting where legal. AR15 is the best yote buster there is right? I know guys like using Veprs for hogs.

 

[kev74]

Now if the state department followes ATF's lead, there will be a whole lot of imports that we'll be trying to make NY compliant.

 

[Celt]

I wonder WHY all of a sudden are they stating all the obvious stuff that helps gun owners... is it because they are afraid for their agency, their jobs, etc.. under a Trump (hopefully strongly pro2a) administration?

 

[Podmonkey]

Now if the state department followes ATF's lead, there will be a whole lot of imports that we'll be trying to make NY compliant.

Very hopefully someday a compliance conversion won't be necessary.

 

[Podmonkey]

I wonder WHY all of a sudden are they stating all the obvious stuff that helps gun owners... is it because they are afraid for their agency, their jobs, etc.. under a Trump (hopefully strongly pro2a) administration?

Yeah, I think they are afraid the whole agency will get tanked. I say we do a deal: Kill the NFA entire and the ATF can continue to exist. So whoever is lighting a fire under the ATF's ass now is the time to dump some gasoline on there!

 

[Airborneguy]

Honestly there were probably people there all along who felt this way but they knew if they opened their mouths they'd be canned immediately.

 

[Podmonkey]

Honestly there were probably people there all along who felt this way but they knew if they opened their mouths they'd be canned immediately.

That is the more logical explanation.
Suggestion, if the blues refuse to enforce immigration legislation, how about the Reds refuse to enforce gun legislation.

 

[meketrefe]

Did you sign the petition?
If not, what are you waiting for?

Repeal the NFA | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government




How would ATF make 'white paper' letter reality?

 

[Podmonkey]

Did you sign the petition?
If not, what are you waiting for?

Repeal the NFA | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government




How would ATF make 'white paper' letter reality?

Yes I did. I also sent Pat Toomey and some other representatives an email detailing the logic behind the hearing protection act and national reciprocity as well as making a case of the abolishing of the NFA.

 

[meketrefe]

Thanks. Pass it along to other forums and SM.

 

[Podmonkey]

So @Airborneguy, if you were to happen to pull me over on my way through NYC and you happened to notice I had a belt fed machine gun with an under barrel grenade launcher duct taped to it...... We're good right? Or if I happened to have a 120mm mortar poking through the roof? Y'know, for clearing traffic.

 

[Airborneguy]

Sounds like a little much, but I've been known to have bad days when it comes to my observation skills.

 

[Podmonkey]

Sounds like a little much, but I've been known to have bad days when it comes to my observation skills.

"Strictly for decoration"

 

[speedkills27]

Honestly there were probably people there all along who felt this way but they knew if they opened their mouths they'd be canned immediately.

I think this sentiment can be applied to many different agencies pre-Trump, ICE/border patrol, NYST etc. Hopefully this will help pave the way for the court overturning SAFE and other states unconstitutional, arbitrary, infringement of gun rights

 

[stuck in ny]

Yeah, I think they are afraid the whole agency will get tanked. I say we do a deal: Kill the NFA entire and the ATF can continue to exist. So whoever is lighting a fire under the ATF's ass now is the time to dump some gasoline on there!

They're probably just acting submissive so the rino's will forget about them; next dem. POTUS and they'll be back worse than ever. We need to axe them now once and for all.

 

[Deplorable Me]

But Andy supports hunters as covered by his delusion of the Second Amendment.

 

[Robin]

An agency of the federal government now declares these particular AR's to be sporting arms, so all those folks registered their semi-automatic sporting arms in NYSSR for nothing, they are by definition not assault rifles. Course they never were, but tell them to the commissar's!
Robin

 

[spat]

Honestly there were probably people there all along who felt this way but they knew if they opened their mouths they'd be canned immediately.

And by people, you mean everyone in the agency with the faintist idea how actual firearms work and are used ?

 

[Phazer]

Course they never were, but tell them to the commissar's!
Robin

 

[Doc8404]

I wonder WHY all of a sudden are they stating all the obvious stuff that helps gun owners... is it because they are afraid for their agency, their jobs, etc.. under a Trump (hopefully strongly pro2a) administration?

Fuck yeah. Most likely. Is it too early for,"four more years. Four more years."

 

[Phazer]

Finally...(may not be feasible, though)

Oregon counties' gun measures spark debate
Second Amendment 'sanctuary counties' sought
Oregon counties' gun measures spark debate

The ordinance is a reaction to the Oregon Firearms Safety Act, passed by the state Legislature in 2015, which requires background checks for transfers of firearms between private parties. These county ordinances allow sheriffs to ignore this law - which gun advocates see as unconstitutional.​

 

[stuck in ny]

And by people, you mean everyone in the agency with the faintist idea how actual firearms work and are used ?

Since when do they need any actual knowledge? You mean they don't just spend the day surfing the Internet Movie Firearms Database site looking for things to ban?

 

[Uzi]

This is all bullshit.

This guy that commented is correct.

"Please do not put up such misleading articles. At no time did the ATF declare AR-15 and AK-style rifles ‘standard for hunting activities’. This was nothing more than a non-official recommendation to redo a study on the popularity and use of these platforms."


"That isn't proof, that's the White Paper. Read it. Cover page: the word "options". Page 2 in the executive summary: "These general thoughts provide potential ways" Keyword: POTENTIAL. Page 5, Item 6: "ATF could re-examine its almost 20-year-old study to bring it up to date" Key word: COULD Lastly, from the addendum to the conclusion: "The opinions expressed within this white paper are not those of the ATF; they are merely the ideas and opinions of this writer. They are provided for internal use within ATF and DOJ and not intended to be public.They are also general thoughts that cannot be taken as exacting language regarding policy or quotable specifics." Key words: All of it.

That white paper is only one man's opinion and is intended to open discussion internally on POSSIBLE changes to be made in the future. For this website to publish the title "ATF declares AR-15 and AK-style rifles ‘standard for hunting activities’" is misleading and disingenuous."

 

[STS556]

So I take it that the safe act is null and void now being that an AR can no longer be classified as an assault rifle?

 

[Saltwater60]

And this will do what for us in nys. Oh wait I know the answer nothing.

 

[Burzum]

Honestly there were probably people there all along who felt this way but they knew if they opened their mouths they'd be canned immediately.

I can tell you for a fact, there were more ATF employees than you may think who had their hands tied.

Trump is the most pro-gun rights president we have had, yes even more than Reagan-who was a hole on gun rights.

 

[Darth]

And this will do what for us in nys. Oh wait I know the answer nothing.

Not exactly.

It will embolden our shitbag of a "governor" to push more, because now he KNOWS reality disagrees.

Get it in while you can!

 

[nordon]

But Andy supports hunters as covered by his delusion of the Second Amendment.

But you don't need 10 boolets to kill a deeah !