Buffalo Student Charged After Bringing BB Gun to School
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Shhh... none of that is valid. Only things that people around here agree with are valid. If they don't like it they just ignore it. They reject reality and substitute their own.As I posted earlier do your own research, but I guess not!!
Student Rights While in School
Of all the rights to access to education, the rights of students with disabilities likely has the greatest day-to-day impact on public schools. Various federal statutes create obligations for school systems to provide educational services to students facing physical, emotional, intellectual...lawshelf.com
Permitted School Searches
No justification for a search is required under the Fourth Amendment unless the person subject to the search has a reasonable expectation of privacy in the item being searched.[14] Even when an item is issued to a student for her use, if the item belongs to the school, then the student has no expectation of privacy in the use of that item. For example, school lockers are generally considered school property, and the student has no reasonable expectation of privacy in the locker, a fact which the Court recognized in the T.L.O. case.[15] However, at least sixteen states provide greater privacy protection of student lockers than required by the Supreme Court.[16]
The Supreme Court has treated general searches of the entire school population more leniently than individualized searches. While a search of a particular student requires a reasonable suspicion justifying the search, the Court has allowed drug-testing without suspicion when that testing is given to all students who choose to participate in a non-mandatory activity, such as playing football on the school team. Thus, a requirement of a urine test before participating in school sports is permissible.[17] The Court also found that it was permissible to require all students who wanted to participate in extracurricular activities, such as choir or academic quiz competition, to take a urine test for drugs.[18] In both of these decisions, the schools did not have any particular suspicion of any individual student, but all students who chose to participate in the activity were subject to the search. The Court placed significant weight on the fact that the students chose to participate in these extracurricular activities and that these activities were not mandatory. If a student did not want to undergo a urine test, the student could forego these extracurricular activities.
Finally, some very general searches are considered so non-intrusive as not to require any particular suspicion to be reasonable. These are called “administrative searches.” To qualify as an administrative search, the procedure must be directed at a general danger (such as keeping weapons out of school) and be non-intrusive. [19] Though the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the administrative search doctrine’s application to schools, it appears that courts would uphold usage of metal detectors and security cameras as acceptable forms of administrative search.[20]
spat
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They used to say it was OK to own people too.As I posted earlier do your own research, but I guess not!!
Student Rights While in School
Of all the rights to access to education, the rights of students with disabilities likely has the greatest day-to-day impact on public schools. Various federal statutes create obligations for school systems to provide educational services to students facing physical, emotional, intellectual...
Permitted School Searches
No justification for a search is required under the Fourth Amendment unless the person subject to the search has a reasonable expectation of privacy in the item being searched.[14] Even when an item is issued to a student for her use, if the item belongs to the school, then the student has no expectation of privacy in the use of that item. For example, school lockers are generally considered school property, and the student has no reasonable expectation of privacy in the locker, a fact which the Court recognized in the T.L.O. case.[15] However, at least sixteen states provide greater privacy protection of student lockers than required by the Supreme Court.[16]
The Supreme Court has treated general searches of the entire school population more leniently than individualized searches. While a search of a particular student requires a reasonable suspicion justifying the search, the Court has allowed drug-testing without suspicion when that testing is given to all students who choose to participate in a non-mandatory activity, such as playing football on the school team. Thus, a requirement of a urine test before participating in school sports is permissible.[17] The Court also found that it was permissible to require all students who wanted to participate in extracurricular activities, such as choir or academic quiz competition, to take a urine test for drugs.[18] In both of these decisions, the schools did not have any particular suspicion of any individual student, but all students who chose to participate in the activity were subject to the search. The Court placed significant weight on the fact that the students chose to participate in these extracurricular activities and that these activities were not mandatory. If a student did not want to undergo a urine test, the student could forego these extracurricular activities.
Finally, some very general searches are considered so non-intrusive as not to require any particular suspicion to be reasonable. These are called “administrative searches.” To qualify as an administrative search, the procedure must be directed at a general danger (such as keeping weapons out of school) and be non-intrusive. [19] Though the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the administrative search doctrine’s application to schools, it appears that courts would uphold usage of metal detectors and security cameras as acceptable forms of administrative search.[20]
That didn't make it so.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
So a report comes in that a firearm has been seen in a school, what is the responds that is acceptable to you?
spat
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The same thing that would happen if a report came in that someone had a baseball glove.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
spat
.950 JDJ
The same number as guns.
None.
Spree killers have caused a number of mass killings in schools, but that seldom happened when we treated guns as sporting goods.
The searches and panic at the mere suggestion of a gun does nothing to stop the actual violence. It actually encourages it.
None.
Spree killers have caused a number of mass killings in schools, but that seldom happened when we treated guns as sporting goods.
The searches and panic at the mere suggestion of a gun does nothing to stop the actual violence. It actually encourages it.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
spat
.950 JDJ
The fact that we are producing copius amounts of people who aren't capable of living in a civilized society is not a good reason to start a police state.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Does the non-gun person know which of these is harmless??
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Would a Cop know which of them are harmless??
spat
.950 JDJ
All of them since nobody is pointing them at anyone.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
96coal449
.308 Win
One thing is clear. We cannot all unite on common ground.
We are doomed.
History repeats itself.
We are doomed.
History repeats itself.
spat
.950 JDJ
And I would have expected better from you than "an unloaded gun sitting in a box is dangerous"
Does a student with a gun in a school pose no risk? I’m not talking about you. I’m talking about an unknown person with unknown intentions.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Do you really think that was the point? That M&P Sirt gun is an exact copy of a M&P pistol both center fire and 22 rimfire and there is also a BB Gun version, so you are okay with them in a School?
spat
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Didn't used to.
Used to see a shotgun in every pickup truck in the parking lot.
Maybe instead of panicking over the gun, we should be doing something about the dangerous students instead.
Attachments
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Yes days by-gone!! When we were more Conservative as a Country! Is it the Conservative kids that are shooting up Schools?
Nice trip down memory lane. Now, back to reality. You need to weigh what is, and not what was.
spat
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You need to put down the shovel and stop digging.
There is no level of "police state" that can restore safety. People get killed in prison all the time.
What you *can* do is stop catering to the lowest common denominator and just declare that "not everyone is cut out to be in school".
Every one of these mass killers were known problems ahead of time.
If you get rid of the guns, they can bring bombs, poison, knives, or any number of other weapons.
If you eliminate the killers, then you can make the hallways look like the "we need guns" scene from the Matrix and it'll be fine.
spat
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If I had kids in school I would be far more worried about what the teachers were doing to their brain than what someone with a gun might do.
So a 911 call reporting man with gun in school should warrant no response. Got it.
Anyhow, back to reality …….
96coal449
.308 Win
Best answer.
To kill a weed you have to get it's roots.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Long term yes. But the phone just rang. 911. Man with gun.
Suggested solution from some here: do nothing. It didn’t used to be a problem so hang up the phone and go grab lunch.
Delusional.