California considering paying reparations for slavery

[libertysnake]

California to study and recommend reparations for Black Americans

The reparations would not be limited to slavery, but the law requires the task force to give special consideration for Black people who are descendants of slaves.

www.cbsnews.com

Considering Cuomo can't be outcucked, I wonder how long till NY does the same. Better not be with my tax dollars though -- my family wasn't in the country until after the civil war.

 

[kev74]

 

[Catskillkid]

California to study and recommend reparations for Black Americans

The reparations would not be limited to slavery, but the law requires the task force to give special consideration for Black people who are descendants of slaves.

www.cbsnews.com

Considering Cuomo can't be outcucked, I wonder how long till NY does the same. Better not be with my tax dollars though -- my family wasn't in the country until after the civil war.

My family fought to preserve the Union and abolish slavery. As far as I'm concerned they should be paying me!

Sarcasm aside, no one owes me one red cent for what my ancestors did. Just as I don't owe one red cent to anyone based on the experiences that their ancestors went through.

 

[Blimey]

The thousands of dead union soldiers already paid reparations.

The reparations would not be limited to slavery, but the law requires the task force to give special consideration for Black people who are descendants of slaves.

Yee haw! Fuck yes. This is what I'm talking about. Separate classes of people within a race. This is great stuff right here. There will be black people and special black people who get more because of their ancestors.

Reparations would not be unprecedented in the United States. The U.S. government partially funded German reparations to Holocaust victims following World War II.

I'm guessing these went to people who actually suffered in some way from the holocaust?

And in 1988, the federal government set up a reparations program for Japanese-Americans who were held in concentration camps during World War II.

What does that have to do with giving people money because of who their ancestors were?

 

[pjzwtl]

I know I can google it but was Cali even a state prior to the civil war? I think not

 

[Defilade]

Just another form of theft of ones money. How broke is Cali? Furthermore, Do the soldiers families that died on the battlefield to free slaves receive free money?

 

[Catskillkid]

I know I can google it but was Cali even a state prior to the civil war? I think not

It actually was a State (admitted to the Union in 1850). It was a Free State (meaning slavery was not allowed).

So a State that for it's entire existence had NO slaves feels the need to pay reparations for slaves that never once resided within its borders.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Catskillkid]

The thousands of dead union soldiers already paid reparations.
Yee haw! Fuck yes. This is what I'm talking about. Separate classes of people within a race. This is great stuff right here. There will be black people and special black people who get more because of their ancestors.
I'm guessing these went to people who actually suffered in some way from the holocaust?
What does that have to do with giving people money because of who their ancestors were?

Serious questions: You're black man and gay; are you an extra special black person? By the virtues of intersectional critical race theory you're more oppressed than a straight black man. What about a gay black woman? What about a transgendered black (insert whatever they believe they are)? Are they super secret oppressed? Who gets the biggest check?

What about Hispanics, who are a bigger share of California's population? They arguably have had more racial animosity directed at them in their State's history than blacks (who make up a smaller percent of their population).

What about those of Japanese descent (internment camps anyone)? What about Chinese (Chinese exclusion laws)? Irish (Irish Need Not Apply)? Catholics? Jews? Baptists?

I'm being facetious because this goes on and on and on in a spiraling race to the bottom. This is the end result of a culture where victimhood is elevated as the ideal and identity politics cross into every fiber of society.

I know I'm preaching to choir here on this forum, but this will be our undoing.

 

[Catskillkid]

The thousands of dead union soldiers already paid reparations.

I think everyone on the race issue fails to remember this and the bloodbath felt on all sides of the Civil War. Every drop of blood was paid on those fields of battle. I highlighted and underlined the most apropos sections. I challenge anyone read this address with the knowledge of history and current events and not have a heavy heart and tears in their eyes. If only we could have leaders like this again and a people who take these words to heart.

Second Inaugural Address of Abraham Lincoln

SATURDAY, MARCH 4, 1865
Fellow-Countrymen:
At this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.

On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war--seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.

 

[Cooolone]

No Reparations should be paid until the root cause analysis is performed and "all" culpable parties are identified and part of the pool. The Dutch trading firms, and also the African tribes that stole their neighbors and sold them onto slavery! That's a big one nobody wants to talk about though, how the slaves ships and their crews didn't leave harbor!

Anyways... It's Cali, what's do you expect!?

 

[GOPerfect]

This reparations thing is probably the stupidest idea I have heard of in years.
I do not care who was a slave.

I do not care how many were slaves.

I do not care who owned slaves.

I do not care if someones family was here, in the US, during slave days.


Not one person alive today was or is a slave.

Not one person alive today owns/owned slaves.

No American owes another American anything for something that occurred more than a century ago.

A great, great grandparent that was a slave is not the reason someone today is struggling. If a person of color is struggling today, they can try all they want to blame on the slave days, but they would be wrong. 100% incorrect. If a black man is struggling today, he should look in the mirror and do some serious reflection of his life choices.

As for these reparations... How much? Gonna give all that can prove the descended from slaves, what? Ten Grand? Twenty?

Then what? Can we finally stop all other free, tax payer funded items in the budget? No more welfare? No more HUD? No more free food stamps? No more free medical? This list is endless....


The democrats really want the hate in these United States to grow, don't they?

 

[libertysnake]

Then what? Can we finally stop all other free, tax payer funded items in the budget? No more welfare? No more HUD? No more free food stamps? No more free medical? This list is endless....

Doesn't matter what they give. It'll never be enough for people who don't take responsibility for their lives.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Federal gov should cut all funding for CA. Not a single federal dollar should be assigned to this bullshit.

 

[GOPerfect]

Doesn't matter what they give. It'll never be enough for people who don't take responsibility for their lives.

And this right here is what all comes down to...

Personal responsibilities.

People are failures due to their own life choices, not because of a Great-Great Grandparent's plight.

 

[GOPerfect]

Current 20 year old alive today. Never a slave.

His Father was not a slave.

His Grandfather was not a slave.

His Great-Grandfather was not a slave.

His Great-Great father was not a slave.

His Great-Great Grandfather was not a slave.

His Great-Great-Great Grandfather may have been.

Why are We The People paying this kid anything?

 

[GOPerfect]

I am sure, that with a enough research, nearly all alive today can trace somewhere in their tree that a distant family member was in bondage.

Reparations for all or a keen sense for future generations to be more than those in the past?

 

[Deplorable Me]

To taxpayers or actual California slaves?

Did they pick avocados during the Civil War?

 

[Mr. terzmo]

In the crapper fiscally and spending more.....Reparations should go to anyone drafted..forced to work for the military at less than 100 a month to start. forced out of Family and jobs. How bout that!! I didn't gross a thousand dollars the first year. AND...anyone care for sleeping in open bays and eating GI food...all included with the money. Guess that makes it better for the people who will say how great it was.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

So where’s my check? Lmao on a serious note why does politicians always play the race card to benefit their political advantages? How will this benefit Americans? Or America as a country?

 

[Deplorable Me]

My ancestors were run out of Poland by the Germans, where's my reparations?

Liberals just want to give us kielbasa in the can..........................

 

[GOPerfect]

My ancestors were run out of Poland by the Germans, where's my reparations?

Liberals just want to give us kielbasa in the can..........................

This is something that I read every time this stupid reparations thing is brought up.

This, what you wrote as well as the statement of, "My family came after slavery". I am part of one of those families. I am second generation American only. I do not have ties back to the 1600's.

All of it is moot....The crimes and the sins of the American forefathers should not be paid out by current Americans.

They like to compare this slave thing to what the Jewish people went through. Many Jews were paid reparations by the German government for the treatment that was endured during the 1930-1940's. The biggest and most important fact of those "reparations"? The monies were paid to Jews that were for real affected. Payouts to those that served times (by force) in the camps.

This is an embarrassment to all that is civilized.

 

[Xae289]

Good for them as long as they don't come crying to the Federal government when (not if, even without this) they go bankrupt.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Apparently California has decided it has enough "discretionary funds" lying around to add a power assist feature to their financial toilet.

 

[repete]

If Ca. goes thru with this I foresee a huge population increase for them. Many will be the leeches of society, but I'm not going to warn them!

 

[Mosinitis]

Here is a dirty little secret. When politicians don't want something and don't have the guts to say it, they commission a study. Who could be against a STUDY? Study can go on indefinitely and by the time report is released other issues dominate the news.

 

[Blimey]

Here is a dirty little secret. When politicians don't want something and don't have the guts to say it, they commission a study. Who could be against a STUDY? Study can go on indefinitely and by the time report is released other issues dominate the news.

This is an interesting perspective that does make some sense here. Could be the equivalent to kicking the can down the road.

i still believe the actual implementation of such a plan is so stupid, and actually arguably impossible to do, that this is probably why it's never happened. You're going to have poor white people paying for wealthy black people's reparations, you'll have people who just immigrated to the US wondering why they have to pay, you'll have people arguing that since they are darker than somebody else they get more, you'll have casper-white people arguing they are a certain percentage black so they are due reparations as well. It's all very silly.

 

[libertysnake]

This is an interesting perspective that does make some sense here. Could be the equivalent to kicking the can down the road.

i still believe the actual implementation of such a plan is so stupid, and actually arguably impossible to do, that this is probably why it's never happened. You're going to have poor white people paying for wealthy black people's reparations, you'll have people who just immigrated to the US wondering why they have to pay, you'll have people arguing that since they are darker than somebody else they get more, you'll have casper-white people arguing they are a certain percentage black so they are due reparations as well. It's all very silly.

On the plus side, tanning salons will have a boom in business.

 

[Chevusa]

There will be no tax payers left in the state if they do this. Then what?

 

[Deplorable Me]

Here is a dirty little secret. When politicians don't want something and don't have the guts to say it, they commission a study. Who could be against a STUDY? Study can go on indefinitely and by the time report is released other issues dominate the news.

Moreland Commission?

 

[SonOfSun]

What if I 'identify' as black?