Can anyone please explain the “other” ban and implications?

[seezur]

So first of all it looks like basically everything has passed, and will soon be law? From what I’m reading the semi auto long gun license thing has a 90 day “grace” period during which long guns purchased will not be required to be permitted. So theoretically I could go out and buy every single semi rifle I’ve been wanting before it passes. I’ll just be locked out of future purchases, unless I want to do their little permit game.

Is there something similar for the “others” in that I can buy, for example a shockwave, before the ban becomes law?

Also, if someone already has a shockwave or tac 13 or Henry axe etc. are they “grandfathered” or are they going to arrest you for possession? I feel like a LOT of shockwaves sold in NY.

 

[Chicken Shoot]

So first of all it looks like basically everything has passed, and will soon be law? From what I’m reading the semi auto long gun license thing has a 90 day “grace” period during which long guns purchased will not be required to be permitted. So theoretically I could go out and buy every single semi rifle I’ve been wanting before it passes. I’ll just be locked out of future purchases, unless I want to do their little permit game.

Is there something similar for the “others” in that I can buy, for example a shockwave, before the ban becomes law?

Also, if someone already has a shockwave or tac 13 or Henry axe etc. are they “grandfathered” or are they going to arrest you for possession? I feel like a LOT of shockwaves sold in NY.

All guns purchased before these BS laws are signed by the cunt are grandfathered in. The "other" ban pertains to anything the BATFE considers "other" on the 4473. That includes AR lowers. With that said, I haven't located the bills as passed to see if they really did ban the "other".

 

[Cavalry]

There is no grandfather provision. Good luck comprehending the bills. A flare gun and Ramset nailer very well could be a firearm by their stellar definition.

"Relates to defining firearm; provides that the term firearm shall also include any other weapon that is not otherwise defined containing any component that provides housing or a structure designed to hold or integrate any fire control component that is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by action of explosive."

 

[togmaster]

Yup nail guns are done for in NY.

 

[FirstRifle]

Yup nail guns are done for in NY.

Paslode makes a portable, cordless framing nailer which uses a fuel cell and a rechargeable battery to drive nails. It fire projectiles using the action of an explosive, and has a very short barrel.
Does or will NYS require a license to possess one? Open carry only? Will NYS reduce the nail magazine from 30+ to 10 or less?

 

[Bigfoot]

are they “grandfathered” or are they going to arrest you for possession?

Good question. This is a question that I have tried to, and cannot find a solid answer to.
Some people say yes, and some people say no. And a question that I really do not know the correct answer to myself.

I have read the bill and it reminds me of when the NY UNSAFE Act went down.
It was like, wait, what? What does that even mean?

These types of laws are probably written the way that they are on purpose.
And we will probably never get a straight answer from the people who passed and signed the bills. Once again, just like the NY UNSAFE Act.

You know it's bad when the different LE agencies and the states assorted DA's can't agree on
what the laws say and actually mean. Just like what happened with Cuomo's NY UNSAFE Act.

I just got a deja vu. Seems like we have been here and done this before.
Probably because we have.

I'm leaning toward the guns that are affected are indeed grandfathered in.
But I really don't know for sure.

FUKH

 

[Jmac00]

I, and the rest of the country can only sit back and laugh at this horse shit............at least until it comes after us.

But, being in SD, Im thinking it will be a long time before this shit happens in out states

 

[Bigfoot]

How does someone remain law-abiding when laws are so poorly written.
That the average citizen can't decipher those laws. Is that the intention?
To sow confusion? To cast a wide net, and see what can be caught?

Just for clarity I never was any good with the legal mumbo jumbo stuff. So there's that.

 

[fresch]

Yes, that is the intention.
Depending on the meaning of, is is.

 

[Phazer]

How does someone remain law-abiding when laws are so poorly written.
That the average citizen can't decipher those laws. Is that the intention?

Laws only affect the law-abiding.

The government can only legally use force to control criminals.

Therefore, if the government wants to use force to control law-abiding citizens, the government must craft laws that turn law-abiding citizens into criminals.

 

[Bigfoot]

Mabey at some point during this thread the OP's question can be answered with a good solid answer. I would like that myself. Probably many others would too.

But I'm not hopeful.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Maybe Mr. Tresmend can repeal these laws also.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Ambiguity is a dissuation to people that don't want to violate the laws.

If they just wrote that "almost all guns are now prohibited", I bet most people wouldn't buy anymore guns, just to be on the safe side.

 

[Jmac00]

How does someone remain law-abiding when laws are so poorly written.
That the average citizen can't decipher those laws. Is that the intention?
To sow confusion? To cast a wide net, and see what can be caught?

Just for clarity I never was any good with the legal mumbo jumbo stuff. So there's that.

if no one complies, no one can get caught. But its going to take EVERY single gun shop owner, and firearm owner to simply say NO !!

 

[prambo]

How does someone remain law-abiding when laws are so poorly written.
That the average citizen can't decipher those laws. Is that the intention?
To sow confusion? To cast a wide net, and see what can be caught?

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”​

Mr. Ferris (.Gov shitweasel) in "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand

(Emphasis - " bold" - in original so, no, I'm not "yelling".)

IMHO, Atlas Shrugged and The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn are the books that explain how we got here, and where we're going, respectively.

ETA: Also my opinion that, in the case of the fUSA, " they" know that "we" are, in general, very law-abiding people.

Thus, going against a "law" is contrary to our nature.

Well.......................

 

[seezur]

I don’t know more than anyone else with this new legislation but it feels like they wouldn’t grandfather “others”, just like they didn’t really grandfather ARs or preban mags for the safe act (unless you consider registering your AR as grandfathering).

I never got into the “other” ARs or even shockwaves, so this doesn’t affect me personally, but the shockwave ban seems like it will really and truly fuck over so many people. I routinely saw them being sold in gun shops all over NY. I guess they won’t be going door to door and confiscating, but most people won’t risk it and bring them to range.

I get why they want to ban the AR “others” (it fits their goal of banning all AR 15 pattern rifles) but I think the shockwave is just collateral damage. Part of me wants to buy a stripped lower other and maybe a Henry axe, but if I can’t take em out to the range, there’s no point.

 

[seezur]

Follow up question, what are the specifics to building an “other”, just out of curiosity? Trying to find a link to a definitive guide.

 

[TonyRossi]

You’re not really building an other. You’re buying a receiver that you can either build a rifle or pistol. “Other” described how FFL transfer it because at the time of purchase, even though it is considered a firearm , it is neither a handgun nor a long gun until it’s built.

 

[TonyRossi]

After reading this bill, I don’t think there’s a ban on “others” just a redefinition that they are considered a firearm in NYS (which they have been forever in the eyes of the ATF)

 

[goldie]

Whats even worse is the microstamping; correct me if im wrong, but no gun makers are making microstamped pistols; which means once whatever current stock gun stores have, they wont be able to sell any new pistols unless they have the microstamping capability. With no makers doing this, there is your future handun ban.And i doubt any maker will make microstamping pistols just for New York when they can just sell to the rest of the country......

 

[thegatman]

Talked to a politician the other day. I asked him about permits for semi-auto rifles. He said that “You can just put it on your pistol permit. So I said “What if you don’t have a pistol permit?” He said “I never thought of that”

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

They are coming out of the woodwork the past few days.

 

[Nebowictz]

After reading this bill, I don’t think there’s a ban on “others” just a redefinition that they are considered a firearm in NYS (which they have been forever in the eyes of the ATF)

I believe the difference is that they are defining it as the NY penal law definition of “firearm”. In NY penal law, rifles and shotguns are not “firearms”. “Firearms” in NY Penal law include handguns, revolvers, SBRs, SBSs all of which are illegal to possess. A pistol permit allows possession of handguns and revolvers but not the rest of the “firearms” under NY penal law. So they would be banned.

 

[TonyRossi]

I’m confused ? I don’t see anything in the bills that say they are banning anything except high cap mags (again )

 

[Bigfoot]

 

[Truebeliever]

Whats even worse is the microstamping; correct me if im wrong, but no gun makers are making microstamped pistols; which means once whatever current stock gun stores have, they wont be able to sell any new pistols unless they have the microstamping capability. With no makers doing this, there is your future handun ban.And i doubt any maker will make microstamping pistols just for New York when they can just sell to the rest of the country......

That’s not my reading of the law. It’s similar to the law NJ has/had, where the government official has to declare its available first. That hasn’t happened yet. It’s also my understanding that it only applies to guns made after that declaration. Guns made before that are legal to be sold despite not having the mircostamping . It’s sort of how the pre-ban above 10 round magazines could be sold before the SAFE act changed it.
So if Glock made 10,000 Glock 19 pistols before the date, they could continue to sell those until that supply was exhausted. And the used gun market in NY would go up like the pre-ban magazines did.

It’s not written like CA safe gun roster. Any gun before that date, doesn't need mircostamping

 

[goldie]

^ So microstamping means nothing right now ? Just a smokescreen to show they are doing something ?

 

[FrankenCub]

I think the "other" they are targeting is stripped lowers, I don't imagine all the other "other"s are on their radar. I can't think of a single instance an other may have been used in a crime. They want our rifles, for now.

 

[prambo]

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@Bigfoot - followed by shots of Soviet Union, right?

 

[Nebowictz]

I’m confused ? I don’t see anything in the bills that say they are banning anything except high cap mags (again )

By adding “others” to the definition of “firearm” they are banning them. Because all “firearms” are illegal. Handguns and revolvers can be explicitly obtained thru a pistol permit but there is no provision for the rest of the items under “firearms”. “Rifles” and “shotguns” are separately defined under NY law.