China's Military Preparing for U.S. Intervention in Taiwan Strait

[GOPerfect]

Taiwan was administered by China's Qing dynasty from 1683 to 1895.

There is documentation dating back to AD239 that the Chinese claim to have possession of Taiwan. Pretty old documents.

The Dutch ran the island for a little while.

1895, after a decent little war, Japan took control.

After WW2, Japan gave up claim to the Island and gave control back to the Chinese.

 

[Jmac00]

Taiwan was administered by China's Qing dynasty from 1683 to 1895.

There is documentation dating back to AD239 that the Chinese claim to have possession of Taiwan. Pretty old documents.

The Dutch ran the island for a little while.

1895, after a decent little war, Japan took control.

After WW2, Japan gave up claim to the Island and gave control back to the Chinese.

doesn't matter, soon China will be running it, and suddenly its not our problem any more

 

[spat]

Did china not become communist in 1949? Am I missing something?

Taiwan is what's left of the China that existed in 1948.

During the war with the communists the nationalists retreated to Taiwan. The communists never completed their take over.

Both countries officially claim to be the only legitimate "China".

That's why communist China gets so upset when any other nation gives Taiwan any sort of official recognition.

And why it was the Taiwanese flag that was on Maverick's jacket in the original Top Gun, and why it was removed in the new one.

 

[GOPerfect]

I kind of hope a battle for the island does take place. As long as the US does not assist. When China wins, and they will; they will officially seize the land the same way humans have been doing since the beginning of time/\

 

[tirwin1]

Because isolationism worked so well prior to WWII ?

*somebody* needs to maintain global order.

*somebody* will fill the role of the worlds policeman if we abdicate.

I do not think you will like a world run by any of the budding candidates.

I must disagree with you there spat. We don't have to be the world's policeman. We should protect our interests but there is no obligation to protect others. The simple fact is there is no other nation that can do it if we don't. The chinese navy cannot project power beyond their region. Ironically if we stop acting as the world's policeman this actually hurts the chinese. Their economy depends on the free flow of raw materials to import and finished products to export. If we don't guarantee the sea lanes and the chinese can't....well that's not a good scenario for them.

 

[spat]

I kind of hope a battle for the island does take place. As long as the US does not assist. When China wins, and they will; they will officially seize the land the same way humans have been doing since the beginning of time/\

That would be very bad for us.

That attitude is akin to saying "I hope the Germans do seize the British Isles, we shouldn't be over there dying for them".

The communist Chinese are our enemies. The Taiwanese not so much.

If the communists take Taiwan it will cause irreparable harm to us.

Your attitude is similar to the one the gun owners in the free states have "Well, it's just NY, it's no business of mine". When we all know that what happens in NY will be coming to them sooner or later.

We can fight the communists in Taiwan or we can fight them here later. Personally I'd rather keep the damage on foreign soil if possible.


You are right that people have been conquering territory since the dawn of time, and it is the natural order of things. That doesn't mean all conquerors are equal.

 

[spat]

I must disagree with you there spat. We don't have to be the world's policeman. We should protect our interests but there is no obligation to protect others. The simple fact is there is no other nation that can do it if we don't. The chinese navy cannot project power beyond their region. Ironically if we stop acting as the world's policeman this actually hurts the chinese. Their economy depends on the free flow of raw materials to import and finished products to export. If we don't guarantee the sea lanes and the chinese can't....well that's not a good scenario for them.

You are right that we have no obligation to protect others.

I am saying it is in our interest to do so.

Global Geopolitics is a prison yard, and we are by far the baddest motherfucker in the yard. It is in our interest to stay that way.

You keep that power by using it appropriately. If we just give up and stop then we will lose the ability to do so.

World history prior to WWII was a near constant state of war.

Since then it has been very peaceful. Even things considered "major conflicts" like Vietnam are really just minor skirmishes compared to the normal way things work.

If we stop being the world's policemen, we will end up in WWIII by the end of the decade.

So, while we don't *owe* any of the rest of the world any protection, it is in our best interest to provide it.

 

[spat]

Taiwan was administered by China's Qing dynasty from 1683 to 1895.

There is documentation dating back to AD239 that the Chinese claim to have possession of Taiwan. Pretty old documents.

The Dutch ran the island for a little while.

1895, after a decent little war, Japan took control.

After WW2, Japan gave up claim to the Island and gave control back to the Chinese.

The Chinese still administer Taiwan.

Just not the communist Chinese.

 

[tirwin1]

I guess the military is telling the chinese we aren't going to put up a fight for Taiwan.

 

[GOPerfect]

I guess the military is telling the chinese we aren't going to put up a fight for Taiwan.

I think it would be the biggest mistake in American history!

 

[tirwin1]

Taiwan reports 'record number' of Chinese jets in its air defence zone

The mission comes after Nato and the G7 pointed to China's military threat and human rights record.

www.bbc.com

Given biden's dreadful performance at the g-7 I wonder if the Chinese have stepped up their plans to invade. Hell I certainly would. I don't think this administration would do anything militarily with the vacuum of leadership at the top.

 

[Mosinitis]

Taiwan is Chinese and Ukraine is Russian. Artificial separations that we prop up with extremists will fail sooner or later.

 

[Robin]

Not so.
Robin

 

[That_FNG]

All the Chinese military has to do is scream the wrong pronouns at the American military and they will have to retreat to safe spaces.

 

[spat]

I'm starting to wonder if russia will move on ukraine and crimea in the very near future, and then if near simultaneously china moves on taiwan.

We would be stuck in a no win situation where either we do nothing and look like a paper tiger or risk taking on both china and russia.

For the record my own .02 cents I want no part of the ukraine/russia conflict. Not our problem let them sort it out.

However I think china sooner or later will aggressively force our hand into a decision.



I like this video on china trying to become the global super power and the parallels of current day US to the ending of the british empire.

China will go after Taiwan.

Russia will then use that as cover for their ambitions.


China is the one driving things, Russia is just going to exploit their adventures to distract the world from their own.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

China will go after Taiwan.

Russia will then use that as cover for their ambitions.


China is the one driving things, Russia is just going to exploit their adventures to distract the world from their own.

And the Bidens will profit.

 

[Podmonkey]

Saber rattling. Thar is all.

 

[Mosinitis]

China will go after Taiwan.

Russia will then use that as cover for their ambitions.


China is the one driving things, Russia is just going to exploit their adventures to distract the world from their own.

Russia became one country many centuries before countries like Germany, Italy and most others. These were just a bunch of independent states until second half of 1800's. No way will Russia let the West cheat it out of its long held territory. If Saxony, Bavaria, Prussia, Wurttemberg, Baden can be One Germany. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan and others can be One Russia. When Russia will start to prosper economically all will come back.

 

[Blimey]

The US military remains by far the strongest in the world. Its civilian leadership, however...I think the US leadership lacks the backbone to stand up to even moderately strong opposition and if China decided to flex its muscle here I expect that Washington would quickly cower.

Should the USA actually go to war over Taiwan? Fuck no.

Much was made about the "biden vs putin" thing that happened yesterday. It was painfully obvious how it would go. A little whataboutism and putin would undermine any productive dialogue, which is exactly what he did. Much ado about nothing.

 

[Robin]

The commander in chief, Joe Biden is on it, so we should, er, um, well, be scared as fuck!
Robin

 

[Paperpunch]

World War III is looking like it going to be an electronic war; EMPs, drones, robots, Internet hacking, etc. It's gonna be a bitch.

 

[1911guy]

Good for China. Taiwan is their land, correct?

Obama took the bold step of providing blankets to Ukraine in the previous intrusion from
Russia.

 

[fresch]

Not to worry, our troops would slap them silly.
Then the social workers and head Shrinkers would follow making everything rosy.
Then the world could heal and we all could be a little more yellow and much less white, that will do it.

 

[Blimey]

Not to worry, our troops would slap them silly.
Then the social workers and head Shrinkers would follow making everything rosy.
Then the world could heal and we all could be a little more yellow and much less white, that will do it.

New mandates from congress: one social worker per SEAL team. Four per platoon. New trench tactics for infantry: de-escalation. Mortars loaded with gummy candies, ribbons, and a laminated card listing the pronouns of the mortar crew.

 

[holdover]

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Yeahhhhhhhhh, its not the Chinese they are planning to go to war with.

 

[holdover]

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