Conservative #WalkAway Facebook page removed along with hundreds of thousands of videos and followers
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Carlos Hathcock
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Nothing but a little ginger douchebag. Wouldn't last 6 minutes without his cell phone. Not to mention he looks like a real life Star Trek character. Assbook is just another puppet of the MSM. They only want to talk about what THEY want to talk about.
I'd tell him to go suck a dick but pretty sure thats a foregone conclusion.
I'd tell him to go suck a dick but pretty sure thats a foregone conclusion.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
The upper echelon of Google and Apple and Twitter better run out and hire private body guards. I have a feeling they may need it in the near future
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
America's Taliban is erasing history.
Xae289
.223 Rem
Haven't used it since Jan... time to stop being lazy, pull my pictures and delete.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
There's a function in there somewhere where you can download all of your data. I haven't been on Facebook in years but just in case you run into trouble grabbing your stuff I know somewhere on there is a function to bundle and bulk download your own stuff.
Just because YOU delete your access to it, does not mean THEY delete, or stop using, your info.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Oh! People still use facebbok?
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It disgusts me that people are cheering this in the name of combatting "hate speech." I can't be believe how any reasonable person can't see things like this as a full frontal assault on freedom of speech.
You answered your own question. They are not reasonable people. They are narrow minded bigots living in a bubble.
Remind me when they violate the 1A then I'll care. Same as that gab thing that lets Nazis post about exterminating jews etc. Their platform, their rules. 1A provides speech protections from the govt. not private enterprise.
I personally don't have any interest in either of them, but to me the rights of private enterprise to set their own direction is the deciding factor.
I personally don't have any interest in either of them, but to me the rights of private enterprise to set their own direction is the deciding factor.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
I think there is a great danger in one particular viewpoint holding all the cards when it comes to being able exercise your free speech rights.
We're getting down to the datacenter level now. AWS won't host them. This means for conservative outlets to exist, they would have to build their own datacenter.
What happens when Level 3 won't carrying the network traffic from that datacenter? Does that mean conservatives will have to lay their own fiber across the country? Their own international fiber?
And where does that leave us? With two internets, and people not talking to each other? What use is that for free speech? You see the danger we've brought upon ourselves whereby the entire apparatus to aid in free speech is controlled by something exempt from it, right?
As much as I'm pro-private industry, there needs to be a serious rethink about 1A with regard to the internet. Otherwise we're going to have some serious issues over time.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Also to be clear, I'm not saying Facebook shouldn't be able to do what it wants. But when we get down to the datacenter level? I'm not so sure. It's a non-trivial task to build out an entire datacenter. If datacenters stop hosting speech they don't like, that's going to set back free speech for decades till a network big enough is even remotely viable for conservatives.
And that's assuming telecom companies like Level 3 will even take the traffic.
You see what I'm getting at here, @SonOfSun ? There has to come a point at which we have to protect free speech in that technological process. Otherwise the entire concept of being on one "internet" goes away quick.
And that's assuming telecom companies like Level 3 will even take the traffic.
You see what I'm getting at here, @SonOfSun ? There has to come a point at which we have to protect free speech in that technological process. Otherwise the entire concept of being on one "internet" goes away quick.
Tinman
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Twitter and Facebook should join together and call it Twitface.
I kinda stuck your posts together by topic, hope you don't mind....
There are TONS of different data centers and hosting providers out there. Hundreds across the USA and also hundreds/thousands globally. You no longer need to have a close data center to get acceptable website performance. Sort of like if you use a VPN to get an IP address in the UK to watch bbc.co.uk programming online. The websites, even American ones will load just fine through it. You could host your website in Bulgaria and it would still load up reasonably fast. I know this for a fact, my personal data backup is hosted on Bulgarian infrastructure. Yes, I shipped a server to be co-located in Bulgaria.
One data center not hosting your content isn't a blackout. You don't need to build your own, there are hundreds/thousands of places to co-locate a server(s) around the globe. If not a single hosting provider on the planet will accept you, maybe it's not them that's the problem.....
Edit: Colocation USA - Data Centers
There are almost 1800 data centers for Colo in the US, probably even more if you want to lease their hardware.
I hear your argument, but the problem I have is still the private industry issue. The two choices we have to clear it up are put the government in control of the internet so it does fall under the 1A. Fuck no to that in my book. The second choice is to force a private entity to provide service (similar to that gay wedding case a while back). I'm also not a fan of that in any capacity.
I understand your concerns, and free speech is vitally important, I just don't think forcing a private business to provide service is the right answer. I'm not even saying I do have the right answer, just that forcing a business isn't the right one. I only have one exception to this thought process and that is when it's a government enforced monopoly. An example of this would be your residential ISP. A lot of people only have one choice, and that choice is forced and limited by the government. You can't go out and start up Libertysnake ISP, you'll get sued into oblivion and shut down. In the case where the government has restricted the free market at that point I think the private business benefactor should be forced to offer service to everyone in their footprint regardless if they agree with them or not.
There are TONS of different data centers and hosting providers out there. Hundreds across the USA and also hundreds/thousands globally. You no longer need to have a close data center to get acceptable website performance. Sort of like if you use a VPN to get an IP address in the UK to watch bbc.co.uk programming online. The websites, even American ones will load just fine through it. You could host your website in Bulgaria and it would still load up reasonably fast. I know this for a fact, my personal data backup is hosted on Bulgarian infrastructure. Yes, I shipped a server to be co-located in Bulgaria.
One data center not hosting your content isn't a blackout. You don't need to build your own, there are hundreds/thousands of places to co-locate a server(s) around the globe. If not a single hosting provider on the planet will accept you, maybe it's not them that's the problem.....
Edit: Colocation USA - Data Centers
There are almost 1800 data centers for Colo in the US, probably even more if you want to lease their hardware.
Network traffic is a separate issue. Still routing is such that this isn't a real issue from my understanding. There are multiple routes and if one fails the traffic will be re-routed to other network carriers.
I hear your argument, but the problem I have is still the private industry issue. The two choices we have to clear it up are put the government in control of the internet so it does fall under the 1A. Fuck no to that in my book. The second choice is to force a private entity to provide service (similar to that gay wedding case a while back). I'm also not a fan of that in any capacity.
I understand your concerns, and free speech is vitally important, I just don't think forcing a private business to provide service is the right answer. I'm not even saying I do have the right answer, just that forcing a business isn't the right one. I only have one exception to this thought process and that is when it's a government enforced monopoly. An example of this would be your residential ISP. A lot of people only have one choice, and that choice is forced and limited by the government. You can't go out and start up Libertysnake ISP, you'll get sued into oblivion and shut down. In the case where the government has restricted the free market at that point I think the private business benefactor should be forced to offer service to everyone in their footprint regardless if they agree with them or not.
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Robin
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Robin
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Okay, three strikes and I guess I'm out.
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BerettaGuy
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Soo you never thought you would ever see "book burning" in your life time'
Well look around you.
rfangle.com
Well look around you.
Amazon Web Services Bans Parler, Will Go Offline Tomorrow
Amazon will be banning Parler from its web services, according to a parley from its CEO, John Matze. Sunday (tomorrow)
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libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
It's not currently like there aren't other hosts, and I can't say this will definitely be a slippery slope, but if it does -- then yes, we have the "two internets" problem. If it continues down this road, then it's an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, at the BGP level. We're talking about splitting infrastructure drastically.
I'm not sure the government needs to run it, but they may need to set some ground rules for what these industries actually are, and how they can function.
The only other option I see, outside of regulation, is that both sides weaponize their digital infrastructure. The left has a drastic head start and has shown their willingness to regulate and weaponize speech. How they treat the right will determine how they'll be treated once they lose that advantage.
Regardless, we're not there, yet. It needs to be a wake up call for conservatives to build their own digital fortresses. Sort of like a political cold war on the internet, in which both are willing to cut the cord on speech. It's sad that this is the direction we're moving.
livingston
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Parler CEO Mark Matze says tech bans are ‘an assault on everybody’
By Jorge Fitz-Gibbon
January 10, 2021 | 2:15pm | Updated
Parler CEO Mark Matze said Sunday that the “devastating” Big Tech ban of the right-wing app could put the company out of business, calling it “an assault on everybody.”
His comment came a day after Amazon kicked the booming app off its web hosting services.
“It’s devastating is what it is,” Matze said on Fox News. “They all work together to make sure at the same time we would lose access to not only our apps, but they’re actually shutting all of our servers off tonight, off the internet.”
“They made an attempt to not only kill the app, but to actually destroy the entire company,” he said. “And it’s not just these three companies.
“Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day,” Matze said.
nypost.com
By Jorge Fitz-Gibbon
January 10, 2021 | 2:15pm | Updated
Parler CEO Mark Matze said Sunday that the “devastating” Big Tech ban of the right-wing app could put the company out of business, calling it “an assault on everybody.”
His comment came a day after Amazon kicked the booming app off its web hosting services.
“It’s devastating is what it is,” Matze said on Fox News. “They all work together to make sure at the same time we would lose access to not only our apps, but they’re actually shutting all of our servers off tonight, off the internet.”
“They made an attempt to not only kill the app, but to actually destroy the entire company,” he said. “And it’s not just these three companies.
“Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day,” Matze said.
Parler CEO Mark Matze says tech bans are ‘an assault on everybody’
Parler CEO Mark Matze said Sunday that the “devastating” Big Tech ban of the right-wing app could put the company out of business, calling it “an assault on everybody.”
nypost.com
100% agree here. Absolutely sad that the direction this is going.
Also, I've always been in favor of maintaining your own hardware and infrastructure where possible. It costs more, but the control you gain is worth it IMO.
Free Speech Platform Gab Reports 750% Increase in Traffic Free Speech Platform Gab Reports 750% Increase in Traffic
And thats how the free market should work.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
I spoke to, I think, Torba on Reddit years ago. Back when they were gab.ai
I should reach back out to him.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
I just sold my MegaCLI card recently and the old machine it was in. Wish I had it to play with again.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
So, there is a silver lining to all of this. I read the letter sent to Parler from AWS. While they did shut them down, it wasn't cold turkey or anything. AWS said they were going to help preserve their data and help them migrate off the service. How well they do that, and for how long, remains to be seen.
Still, this seems really reasonable for a tech perspective as far as the process of shutting them off. It means it won't take them long to recover, assuming they haven't hardcoded IPs in their code or anything stupid that requires a lot of manual changes.
The most difficult challenges they'll face transitioning over to a new service are largely networking ones.
Still, this seems really reasonable for a tech perspective as far as the process of shutting them off. It means it won't take them long to recover, assuming they haven't hardcoded IPs in their code or anything stupid that requires a lot of manual changes.
The most difficult challenges they'll face transitioning over to a new service are largely networking ones.
You can get Dell cards cheap and flash them to an HBA. Most of them are just rebranded LSI cards. Heck I even used the official LSI firmware. That's what I used in my local NAS.